Start looking for alternatives already. Nothing good came out of VC rounds and private equity for the end consumers ever.
Tailscale has raised $160M
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#232Congrats TS. You deserve this.
Re: Tailscale has raised $160M
#233Start looking for alternatives already. Nothing good came out of VC rounds and private equity for the end consumers ever.
I understand the cynicism. But this is counter productive. Any venture has to have a finance angle. They are not missionaries.
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#234I'm a fan of TS and have been a paying customer for work infra for almost a year now. It really is well put together and easy to use, but I do run up against some issues/complaints when diving deep that I hope they can work out: * The pricing tiers and included features by tier penalizes you in frustrating ways. The base plan is a reasonable $6/user/m, but if you want to use ACLs to control anything in a workable way…
>$6/user/m, but if you want to use ACLs to control anything in a workable way, it jumps 3x to $18/u/m. It's market segmentation, needing ACLs is a sign you're at least an SMB, and to a business of nearly any actual size, the difference between $6/user and $18/user is 0.
Uh I work for an enterprise of tens of thousands of users and $18 a month is not nothing for us. In fact considering the discounts we get at our size that would be so high we'd never consider it.
We don't even use windows enterprise for the same reason, we have legacy office 365 plans and lifetime windows licenses without the M365 addons because it saves is a few bucks per head. At our size, a few bucks a head quickly add up to millions per year. Microsoft keeps trying to dissuade us and they even pretend office 365 plans don't exist anymore ("office 365 is now microsoft 365") but they do: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-365/enterprise/off... . The same with their Copilot stuff. 30$ is a non starter. Our users want it but nope (and we did a trial in one big team and only 10% actually bothered to use it after the first month so I think it's more the idea of it that want rather than the actual product)
We don't use Tailscale but $6 would be feasible where $18 would be a complete nonstarter.
In fact our company is a lot more cost conscious than I am as a consumer.
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#235I just this past weekend was looking into setting up a personal networking solution- and looked hard at TailScale and their competitors. I do not like- that Tailscale has chosen to only allow SSO sign-in - as that forces one to have a Microsoft,Github[MS], Google, or Apple account- and I presume that leaves one at the mercy of those companies for the free option.
I will probably eventually cave and use my main account from one of those companies since creating true secondary accounts can be difficult(they end up tied back to your main account on the backend usually, So if something happens to one or the company does something- it'll affect everything and building separation is not easy.) - But I dislike that sort of design.
Re: Tailscale has raised $160M
#236I just this past weekend was looking into setting up a personal networking solution- and looked hard at TailScale and their competitors. I do not like- that Tailscale has chosen to only allow SSO sign-in - as that forces one to have a Microsoft,Github[MS], Google, or Apple account- and I presume that leaves one at the mercy of those companies for the free option. I will probably eventually cave and use my main accoun…
This is not true. You can run Tailscale with a custom self hosted OIDC provider such as Authelia.
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#237Re: Tailscale has raised $160M
#238What is their use case in an IPv6 internet? Or is this another company with a vested interest in stopping IPv6 from happening?
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#239Earlier quoted context omitted.
Hm OK well thinking out loud, $100M / 3 is $33M / year? I don't know much about Tailscale, nor about how much it costs to run a company, but I thought it was mostly a software company? I would imagine that salaries are the main cost, and revenue could cover salaries? (seems like they have a solid model - https://tailscale.com/pricing ) I'm sure they have some cloud fees, but I thought it was mostly "control plane" an…
> I don't know much about Tailscale, nor about how much it costs to run a company $33m/year is only 33 fully loaded software developers including all overhead like HR and managers and office space, and also a cloud hosting bill. 33 really isn't that many.
33M would be 33 software consultants each making 250k a year.
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#240I've got conflicted feels about Tailscale. I love their product and a bunch of the people I know use their free tier, including myself.
But their enterprise strategy destroys their good will. I can only assume it's focused on killing old school VPN products. The free tier that we love is a marketing expense. And it’s not even a conversion play.
People are complaining about ~10/user/month -- add basic things that you'd need to manage more than 10 peeps (SAML/SCIM support) and you're talking ~20/user/month. For us, a small sub 200 person company, they immediately lost their chance. We have lots of problems in the security space, some we're willing to spend more than 20/user/month to solve. Legacy network access is not one of them.