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Re: Wikipedia Redefined

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This feels hugely like an attempt to make Wikipedia look like a google.com side project.

Bottom line: Personal Taste: I don't like it.

Wikipedia is not Google, it does not crawel and select the best content, it hosts and distributes the most valuable content crawled by wetware during their life time.

Re: Wikipedia Redefined

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I work at Wikia, which means I work with MediaWiki every day. I was kind of offended by how naive New is New is being. I don't think they have any grasp on the sort of massive scope changes like this would require. Wikipedia is not MediaWiki's only consumer. A lot of communities that use MediaWiki are extremely conservative about the UI, so some of the conservatism is by design. The WikiMedia Foundation is working on…

I highly highly doubt that this is an actual appeal by them to change the MediaWiki interface. I see this purely as a publicity stunt / marketing move, intended to get their brand and abilities out there in front of people. And to be frank, I think they're being quite successful at that. UX/practicality aside, most of the components do look good. (though good parts of it remind me of Google, Quora, and other prominen…

One of the absolute biggest challenges in hiring a web design firm is getting them to understand the company and work within the real constraints of the business and budget. Pie-in-the-sky projects like this one don't demonstrate that the firm can do that.

Re: Wikipedia Redefined

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The biggest problem I have with this sort of thing -- actually probably the whole field(s) of UI/UX design -- is that there is no actual prototype but it seems like they are implying that the programmers didn't include any of those features because they didn't think of them, and that now the real work for the 'redesign' has been done. As if the hard part was making a bunch of pictures. So this whole thing really irri…

> The biggest problem I have with this sort of thing -- actually probably the whole field(s) of UI/UX design -- is that there is no actual prototype but it seems like they are implying that the programmers didn't include any of those features because they didn't think of them, and that now the real work for the 'redesign' has been done. As if the hard part was making a bunch of pictures. Yeah, it really bothered me t…

> Yeah, it really bothered me that the WYSIWYG editor and interactive map features were sold under the guise of a rebranding.

It wasn't under the guise of a rebranding at all. The website is called "Wikipedia Redefined," and adding a WYSIWYG editor and interactive map would certainly redefine Wikipedia.

Re: Wikipedia Redefined

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> And don't get me started on the proposed Wikipedia logo. It looks like the Wikia fractal with way less nodes. I found it offensive that they felt the English 'W' was the only one worth featuring in the logo.

Offensive? Really? Having one's religion insulted is offensive. A "W" shouldn't be.

Nah, not religion. Country. Language. Cultural identity.

Re: Wikipedia Redefined

#235

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This distinction is only relevant to maybe 1% of wikipedia users...the heavy users who get involved in internal politics and editing decisions (and maybe the spammers who try to wield wikipedia's massive visibility for their own purposes). The average wikipedia user has no idea there are deletion wars.

> This distinction is only relevant to maybe 1% of wikipedia users I disagree. I have looked for content on WP before, only to find it has been deleted by deletionists. I have also given up creating new articles because of deletionists.

I don't believe any HN reader could ever be considered an "average user" in this context.

Re: Wikipedia Redefined

#236

Sent this email to them: " Absolutely terrible; increasing the signal/noise ratio, in addition to increasing unnecessary white space were extremely bad design choices. The purpose of Wikipedia is to share information. The changes that you proposed impede that goal by the addition of a step where the user has to "understand" the design, before they can begin to use it. You should have reviewed mathematical and scienti…

I liked very much the way you have worded it. Especially, the last statement: "The design of Wikipedia is not simply an aesthetic designer's problem, it is a problem that has to be approached from an engineering point of view: maximise the information communication rate whilst keeping the design aesthetically pleasing, not the other way around."

Re: Wikipedia Redefined

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> Also the capital "I" in the font they're using is killing me. This is the main thing I remember after reading what seemed like an otherwise interesting study.

Also, there's a grammatical error: "We check our mail dozen times a day." No. We check our mail a dozen times a day.

So they check it exactly one dozen times per day? Your correction also doesn't seem valid. Perhaps they meant to write that "We check our mail dozens of time per day."

First impressions are very important; I too find copy errors an indication of an inadequate effort to communicate effectively. However, that doesn't validate a malicious attempt to bash the writer(s) when a simple correction would have sufficed.

Re: Wikipedia Redefined

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No need to scrape, Wikipedia has full dumps for the articles available for download: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Database_download#Eng...

Yeah I am aware, but wikipedia changes daily. There would have to be a pretty impressive feature set built on top before many would consider using an out of date wikipedia when they can easily see the latest version.

There is a feed of changes though - both a "realtime" IRC feed that is restricted access and some sort of batch feed (daily? Hourly?)

Re: Wikipedia Redefined

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You'd probably want any redesign of Wikipedia to start with the understanding that the front page of the English Wikipedia isn't WWW.WIKIPEDIA.ORG, it's EN.WIKIPEDIA.ORG, and that that page is dominated by content --- most notably the WP Featured Articles, which are a core part of the Wikipedia community. Draw the pretty colored lines after you grok the concept. It goes downhill for me as they try to get more technic…

It's hilarious from the start - first thing they do is throw out the logo that incorporates multiple languages and says 'fuck you, we're going English for Wiki'. They compound this by then making all the various logos English-derived, so these guys have basically shouted to the world that they don't grasp the basics of their client. They even propose a feature that shows everyone how much English dominates the other…

What offended me the most is their suggestion that the Wikimedia Foundation appropriate the name "wiki". Either they lack awareness that the wiki is a separate invention from Wikipedia or they do not mind language and usage evolving in such a way as to make it hard to explain the history of the development of the technologies and nearly impossible for the inventor of the wiki to get the recognition he deserves.

Re: Wikipedia Redefined

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Wordpress isn't very well-known by the general public. I mean hell, it's not even in the same ballpark compared to Wikipedia.

It's closer than you might guess. According to Alexa statistics (which I know aren't perfect), WordPress.com is one of the top 20 web sites in the entire world, even though it is visited by "only" 4% to 5% of all Internet users each day [1], compared to Wikipedia's 10-15% [2]. The WordPress software has been around for almost a decade, and although most readers of WordPress blogs might not recall the name "WordPress"…

Sure lots of people visit WordPress sites, but how many of them actually know who/what WordPress is and know what the logo looks like. I have to admit that if you'd asked me 5 minutes ago to describe the WordPress logo I would have drawn a blank.
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