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Post by jl6 »

throwawayk7h wrote: post #192
jl6 wrote: post #156

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It’s usually more important for official documentation to be accurate, not for it to match appearance. Many people appear younger or older than they are, but it would be bizarre to put apparent age on a passport. The document is supposed to act as the ground truth. Passports don’t currently contain a gender marker, so maybe that could be campaigned for.

Apparent age vs actual age follows a very different probability distribution than apparent sex vs actual sex (whatever that is). We don't have 10-year-olds looking like 90-year-olds, and if one existed, they would encounter a lot of problems at the border. This is analogous to someone who appears male, even on close inspection, but has an F on their passport (or birth certificate, or driver's license). Plus, these ar…

Those different “definitions” of sex are not the plain and common meaning of sex as reproductive role. “Hormonal sex” is a characteristic, not an alternative conceptual framework of what sex is.

Yes, passports should acknowledge intersex conditions and this would be far easier if there weren’t people with unambiguous sex trying to use that mechanism too.

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Post by jeltz »

Aeolun wrote: post #221
_2d30 wrote: post #28

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Yes and some of the links to the “traumatizing” deportations are for people who are clearly in violation of their visas. I had a friend deported from Denmark when he overstayed his visa and it was basically the same thing. Some of these look really bad and could be sensible justification for the proposed boycott/cancellation (see French scientist eg) but a lot of it looks completely hysterical.

All of those things look like they’re about being detained for several weeks when trying to enter the US? Why wouldn’t they just refuse you entry instead?

Yeah, why detain and treat people badly when you should just send them back home on the first available flight and then ban them from using the ESTA program? The pointless and expensive cruelty is the issue.

Re: Boycott IETF 127

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Post by onli »

TheEnbyperor wrote: post #212
ghosty141 wrote: post #186

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This is a 20 year old article and no we don't have "nazis kill foreigners with some regularity". Yes hate-crime happens, but you make it sound like an active war zone where you have to be afraid of your life if you are "foreign" looking. I'd wager for tourists it's very safe in Germany.

I am a foreigner living and working in Germany. Its a perfectly safe and pleasant country to live in.

It sure is, until it isn't. And it strongly depends on where you are in the country. I highly doubt you live comfortably in a Nazi area.

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Post by laserlight »

Jolter wrote: post #163
p4coder wrote: post #145

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It depends on your citizenship. Some European countries reject 50% Indian Schengen visa applicantions. https://www.cntraveller.in/story/these-3-countries-rejected-...

At least they don’t issue you a visa and then arbitrarily detain you at the border. Obtaining a work visa in a particular country is not a human right, and their issuance are up to the hosting country’s policies.

> work visa

I would guess that 90% of the applications were for travel, not work.

> their issuance are up to the hosting country’s policies

These countries don't even bother to apply their policies. Some cases I heard about indicate that they randomly reject applications, without reviewing them.

Re: Boycott IETF 127

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Post by megous »

bloppe wrote: post #194

This website mixes some very real and very big problems (erosion of basic freedoms and rights in the US) with some entirely hallucinated ones (concentration camps for people with ADHD, and torture ? I'd certainly want to learn more about that than a passing mention). Personally I think the hyperbole only serves to cheapen the real problems.

Americans should learn that solitary detention is torture. Check out all the effects https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solitary_confinement Also support for genocide is major international crime, btw, which is another crime Americans are very blasé about, while commiting it.

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Post by BriggyDwiggs42 »

silisili wrote: post #96
InvisibleUp wrote: post #85

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There’s a webcomic, “Joe vs. Elan School”, that might be an enlightening read for you.

This actually resonates a bit with my own thoughts from these comments. If we assume a drug abuser is doomed for death in the next 6 months. But by using them as slave labor in terrible conditions for 3 years guarantees they will live to old age, regardless of any psychological trauma from said experience, is it worth it? I'm not taking a position, I'm just making a thought experiment. It's more of a moral philosophi…

Your thought experiment, the drug dealer being universally doomed, the only consequence being a state of slavery for a finite time, etc has no relation to reality.

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Post by fastball »

philjohn wrote: post #198
fastball wrote: post #167

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So he said nothing about ADHD.

"to get off Adderall" Are you trying to claim that because he didn't specifically mention ADHD, despite mentioning the drug used to treat ADHD, that he's not talking about ADHD despite him holding views about neurodiversity that are at odds with the published literature on their treatment?

Yes, that is exactly what I am saying. Are you trying to claim that all users of Adderall have ADHD? Because that is the only way you can say "well he is effectively talking about ADHD if he is talking about adderall", but that conflation is objectively untrue. Countless people without ADHD abuse adderall / ritalin / etc.

In fact, people without ADHD are much more in need of an intervention if they are abusing adderall than someone who has ADHD, wouldn't you say? So the much more reasonable interpretation is that he is talking about those people, not people with ADHD.

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Post by BriggyDwiggs42 »

_2d30 wrote: post #37
nialse wrote: post #33

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In a historical context “wellness farms” is understood as a euphemism for concentration camp. It’s free but you can’t leave.

In what historical context was “wellness farm” used as a euphemism?

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