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London's Heathrow Airport announces complete shutdown due to power outage

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Re: London's Heathrow Airport announces complete shutdown due to power outage

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" [...] national security is widely understood to include also non-military dimensions, such as the security from terrorism, minimization of crime, economic security, energy security, environmental security, food security, and cyber-security. " https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_security Large-scale issues that impact the economy are typically under the "national security" umbrella. It's a term that uses the broa…

I am not sure I am enthusiastic with the slow march toward 'national security issue' being synonymous with 'me personally being spooked by something'.

Or 'my flight was delayed for a few hours'

Re: London's Heathrow Airport announces complete shutdown due to power outage

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Yes, all of which could be done in hours less time than it would take to get from Atlanta to any comparable airport. Consider the amount of train/ferry transit between London and Paris. That doesn't exist in the US. Rental car companies don't keep that much extra stock on hand, and really do not love renting cars for inter-state one-way journeys. I categorically reject that getting from Atlanta to London with ATL non…

Fair enough if you categorically reject it. That's good enough for me.

Thanks for admitting he's right.

Re: London's Heathrow Airport announces complete shutdown due to power outage

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Then your comment about rowing across the sea is idiotic. The airlines that redirected flights to Paris arranged buses to London.

Having thought about it you're correct. Even if you over inflate your tyres it won't provide enough buoyancy even for the smallest Euro-car. An alternative reading to it 'being idiotic' is that it was clearly an exaggeration to prompt some critical thinking about the original claim.

There's a train between the UK and France. It carries cars.

Re: London's Heathrow Airport announces complete shutdown due to power outage

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post #189

It's not the first time a major airport is down because of power failure, and other airports are working to address this type of vulnerability. > The power vulnerability for airports was never made more obvious and painful than in Atlanta seven years ago. An underground electrical system fire in late 2017 damaged two substations and caused a complete outage lasting nearly 12 hours at Hartsfield-Jackson International…

Heathrow's power outage is much worse than Atlanta's, this is really bad. Allow me to make my point: 1. UK’s has one major airport to get out of the country—Heathrow. Gatwick and that lot don’t carry the same weight. When Heathrow goes down, you’re proper stuck. Atlanta has DC, Miami right there. 2. UK allows transit visas, so half the people transiting can’t even step out the terminal, what do they do when the airpo…

> 2. UK allows transit visas, so half the people transiting can’t even step out the terminal, what do they do when the airport is closed?

Airside to airside bus shuttle?

> The US doesn’t allow that, everyone clears customs/passport control, so no ‘no man’s land’ limbo for stranded passengers.

Anchorage International Airport, amongst few (less than a handful really) other US airports, have separate international section with sterilised transit.

Re: London's Heathrow Airport announces complete shutdown due to power outage

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> When Heathrow goes down, you’re proper stuck. Atlanta has DC, Miami right there "right there" It is a ten hour drive from Atlanta to DC. It is a nine hour drive from Atlanta to Miami. It is a six hour drive from Heathrow to Paris.

It's still "right there" overall, you can take a local flight that takes one hour. Most importantly, you're in the same country whereas in the case of LHR closing the number of airports able to handle widebody long haulers...are essentially all in countries with different customs and visas.

> It's still "right there" overall, you can take a local flight that takes one hour.

From which airport? The one that is closed because there's no power?

Re: London's Heathrow Airport announces complete shutdown due to power outage

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post #189

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Heathrow's power outage is much worse than Atlanta's, this is really bad. Allow me to make my point: 1. UK’s has one major airport to get out of the country—Heathrow. Gatwick and that lot don’t carry the same weight. When Heathrow goes down, you’re proper stuck. Atlanta has DC, Miami right there. 2. UK allows transit visas, so half the people transiting can’t even step out the terminal, what do they do when the airpo…

> When Heathrow goes down, you’re proper stuck. Atlanta has DC, Miami right there "right there" It is a ten hour drive from Atlanta to DC. It is a nine hour drive from Atlanta to Miami. It is a six hour drive from Heathrow to Paris.

Florida is very long.

Re: London's Heathrow Airport announces complete shutdown due to power outage

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post #189

It's not the first time a major airport is down because of power failure, and other airports are working to address this type of vulnerability. > The power vulnerability for airports was never made more obvious and painful than in Atlanta seven years ago. An underground electrical system fire in late 2017 damaged two substations and caused a complete outage lasting nearly 12 hours at Hartsfield-Jackson International…

Heathrow's power outage is much worse than Atlanta's, this is really bad. Allow me to make my point: 1. UK’s has one major airport to get out of the country—Heathrow. Gatwick and that lot don’t carry the same weight. When Heathrow goes down, you’re proper stuck. Atlanta has DC, Miami right there. 2. UK allows transit visas, so half the people transiting can’t even step out the terminal, what do they do when the airpo…

I like how US’s lack of automatic transit visas is being described as a good thing here. It is an absolutely nightmare in practice.

Re: London's Heathrow Airport announces complete shutdown due to power outage

#238

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Natch, I feared as much. I've been seeing it more and more lately. I've found it's hard for me to look at. I'd say more but I'm already wasting words.

I needed to look up „natch” lol

Why don't you tell us too?

For anyone reading: it means "of course"

Re: London's Heathrow Airport announces complete shutdown due to power outage

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I needed to look up „natch” lol

Why don't you tell us too? For anyone reading: it means "of course"

Technically it means "naturally" which (to me, natural UK English) reads to me as slightly less sarcastic than "of course", especially if you get the "of COURSE" intonation (implies "the little shits" at the end of the sentence to me, if you see what I mean. "Naturally, the BBC has the news" - good job, fellas! "Of COURSE, the BBC has the news" - the little shits, running around wasting our money on this, probably stealing from rubbish bins.)

I may have put too much thought into this.

Re: London's Heathrow Airport announces complete shutdown due to power outage

#240

This is way worse due to London airports' lack of spare capacity. They should have built Thames Estuary Airport a long time ago.

Yes, unfortunately NIMBYs have been blocking any iota of progress in this area for around 40 years

Yeah the NIMBYs around Heathrow should just accept a third runway and 24 hour operation of the airport.
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