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Re: Claude can now search the web

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I wonder if it will actually respect the robots.txt this time.

The LLM shouldn’t.

robots.txt is intended to control recursive fetches. It is not intended to block any and all access.

You can test this out using wget. Fetch a URL with wget. You will see that it only fetches that URL. Now pass it the --recursive flag. It will now fetch that URL, parse the links, fetch robots.txt, then fetch the permitted links. And so on.

wget respects robots.txt. But it doesn’t even bother looking at it if it’s only fetching a single URL because it isn’t acting recursively, so robots.txt does not apply.

The same applies to Claude. Whatever search index they are using, the crawler for that search index needs to respect robots.txt because it’s acting recursively. But when the user asks the LLM to look at web results, it’s just getting a single set of URLs from that index and fetching them – assuming it’s even doing that and not using a cached version. It’s not acting recursively, so robots.txt does not apply.

I know a lot of people want to block any and all AI fetches from their sites, but robots.txt is the wrong mechanism if you want to do that. It’s simply not designed to do that. It is only designed for crawlers, i.e. software that automatically fetches links recursively.

Re: Claude can now search the web

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Searching the web is a great feature in theory, but every implementation I've used so far looks at the top X hits and then interprets it to be the correct answer. When you're talking to an LLM about popular topics or common errors, the top results are often just blogspam or unresolved forum posts, so the you never get an answer to your problem. More of an indicator that web search is more unusable than ever, but inte…

Kagi Assistant allows you to do search with LLM queries. So far I feel it bears reliable results. For instance - I tried couple of queries for product suggestions and came back with some good results. Whilst it’s a premium service , I find the offering to be of good value.

I have a subscription, please could I ask how you do this? I only know of the append ? Feature.

Re: Claude can now search the web

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Just switched my default to Kagi based on this comment and you're right. It honestly feels like old-school Google before all of the algo changes.

You were paying for Kagi but not using it as the default?

No, I only noodled with the free/trial searches before, but this reminded me to pay and make it my default.

Re: Claude can now search the web

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And as advertisers get declining human views on their ads, the value of the business model will dwindle until it needs to be replaced by other forms of revenue. Content that can't shift business models and requires revenue to continue will die off. Edit: Maybe that's fine, maybe that's bad. Maybe new models will emerge and things will reshape. But I'm just supporting the case that AI agents will pressure the current…

the free content economy is bogus, I am part of a growing segment of users that just block ads anyways.

I'm also and I pay for the services that I use to not see ads, but I don't pay for every single one. For example a local classified website is financed by ads, and I don't think anybody will pay for just looking at stuff there. Maybe they can switch to the model where the person puting the thing for sale would pay but hat is something where we are not currently.

Re: Claude can now search the web

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I really want these to be able to find and even redisplay images. "Search all the hotels within 5 miles of this address and show me detailed pictures of the rooms and restrooms" Hotels would much rather show you the outside, the lobby, and a conference room, so finding what the actual living space will look like is often surprisingly difficult.

I've been looking for this as well. I want a reliable image search tool. I tried a combination of perplexity web search tool use with the Anthropic conversations API but it's been lackluster.

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Re: Claude can now search the web

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Simply put, at the end of the day you lose, AI blocking will not work. I mean, currently the AI request comes from the datacenter running the AI, but eventually one of two things will happen. AI models will get small/fast enough to run on user hardware and use the users resources: End result? You lose. The user will set their own headers and sites will play the impossible game of identifying AI. AI sites will figure…

Welcome to the world of CAPTCHAs

Heh, I'm always reminded of dunkey when captchas are brought up. It seems AI gets better faster at them than humans do.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqnXp6Saa8Y

Re: Claude can now search the web

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post #201

I really want these to be able to find and even redisplay images. "Search all the hotels within 5 miles of this address and show me detailed pictures of the rooms and restrooms" Hotels would much rather show you the outside, the lobby, and a conference room, so finding what the actual living space will look like is often surprisingly difficult.

I've been looking for this as well. I want a reliable image search tool. I tried a combination of perplexity web search tool use with the Anthropic conversations API but it's been lackluster.

I’ve been experimenting with different LLM + search combos too, but results have been mixed. One thing I’m particularly interested in is improving retrieval for both images and videos. Right now, most tools seem to rely heavily on metadata or simple embeddings, but I wonder if there’s a better way to handle complex visual queries. Have you tried anything for video search as well, or are you mainly focused on images? Also, what kinds of queries have you tested?

Re: Claude can now search the web

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It says a lot about their product vision and intended market that the example query is typescript migration question. Do they not care about typical search users? Only developers?

Do users pay for LLMs? I haven't seen much concrete data indicating that they do. I don't think the casual utility gains of LLMs have gotten average people so much value that they're paying $20/mo+ for it. Certainly not for search in the age of [doom] scrolling. I would guess that Anthropic wants developers talking about how good Claude is in their company Slack channels. That's the smart thing to do.

I would say no. While I pay for chatgpt Claude and perplexity monthly (I don't know why anymore) my wife does not use any at all. She has around 5-10 things she uses on the smartphone, and if she needs something new there is still google.

I on the other side reduced my googling by 95%

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