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Ex-Facebook director's new book paints brutal image of Mark Zuckerberg

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Good to have more people expose the greedy, dictatorial, detrimental shitshow that is single individuals having an outsized control over important technology. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Noone should be as big as Zuck, Musk, Altman, Bezos... I had one moment of eyebrow-raising while reading the article. On the risk of blaming someone who was mind controlled into caring too much about ultimately unimportant, s…

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Good to have more people expose the greedy, dictatorial, detrimental shitshow that is single individuals having an outsized control over important technology. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Noone should be as big as Zuck, Musk, Altman, Bezos... I had one moment of eyebrow-raising while reading the article. On the risk of blaming someone who was mind controlled into caring too much about ultimately unimportant, s…

> My thinking is... can you put this 100% on Sandberg? I mean, I get that the culture is bad, but there's two in this game. Maybe... turn off your phone for a day when you're giving birth?! Sure, but you can look at this in one of two ways. One is the way you seem to be angling for, where we have an employee who is so disturbingly eager to please that she continues to do work at absurd times when no one should ever e…

It seems pretty extreme to say that her livelihood was in jeopardy given that her salary was probably an order of magnitude more than an average worker. She likely put up with that and other toxic behavior because she was highly ambitious and wanted to keep making immense amounts of money.

This doesn't excuse Sandberg at all, I'm sure she would be a horrifically bad person to work for. But when I read that section I immediately thought of highly ambitious people I've worked with who I could see on either side of that encounter. Such people often are highly materially successful, although most of them don't seem very happy about it.

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Yes, well, she was fired. I'm sure she's completely unbiased. If it was so bad, why did she work there? She was a senior executive, not a wage-slave.

Bias is universal. Being as open as you can with both yourself and others as to what those biases are is the foundation of honesty.

Said another way, all movie reviews are biased because we all have different tastes and preferences, we have all seen different movies which colors how we perceive new movies, we all have different values and limits, the list goes on. I like movie reviewers with a strong opinion, even/especially if that opinion does not agree with my own. Because I understand their strong opinions (their biases), I can easily apply my own analysis and decision-making to their opinion.

Re: Ex-Facebook director's new book paints brutal image of Mark Zuckerberg

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The author says Meta employees told her to let Zuckerberg win at board games because he does not like to lose. SBF recently told Tucker Carslon from prison he was surprised when inmates with no high school education beat him at chess. Zuckerberg and Bankman-Fried might make great cellmates.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cly820v99ppo

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cq5zyq0250wo

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> A Cautionary Tale of Power, Greed, and Lost Idealism Has anyone ever seen Facebbok as idealistic? As far as I can tell, they've always been basically Amazon (the borg that will win at all costs) but a little more trivial, cool and Web2.0, they were never the "don't be evil" Google, the idealistic Twitter, I can't think of many less ideal driven companies. Facebook beat MySpace IMO because it tricked people into usi…

The idealism is the current corporate story - "enabling communication" etc. - but you're right that there was no idealism to start with. Zuckerberg set up The Facebook so undergrads at Harvard could rate how hot girls were, scraping their images from unprotected university servers. This is a great podcast centred around the film about it - The Social Network - but it delves really interestingly into the story and mot…

This is the first time I heard about anyone buying into any sort of "idealism" of Facebook. Isn't Zuckerberg famous for calling Facebook users "dumb f***s" back in the early days for willingly handing over all sorts of information?

https://www.theregister.com/2010/05/14/facebook_trust_dumb/

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It is definitely not healthy. But I don't think you can limit people's wealth and not call it communism. I think the real problem is abuse of power, not accumulation of it. Power cannot be eliminated. It will either end up in the hand of politicians (who are genuinely more evil than tech bros) or remain in hands of wealth creators. What we should do is focus of punishingpeople who abuse thier power.

> But I don't think you can limit people's wealth and not call it communism. Is that your actual objection? It sounds more like a smear by association. Famously, the USA under Eisenhower had a top marginal tax rate of 90% on income over $200K - "merely" a few million dollars in modern-day money. Was the Eisenhower administration Communist? If it wasn't, would it have become Communist if they had gone a bit further an…

Andrew Carnegie was worth something like 300 billion USD (today, inflation adjusted). So that level of wealth was not unknown by the time of the Eisenhower administration.

Re: Ex-Facebook director's new book paints brutal image of Mark Zuckerberg

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I think React and GraphQL are pretty impressive in terms of how shitty they've made the developer experience at so many companies. GraphQL especially seems to attract the kind of people who love to misuse technologies built for massive orgs in companies with fewer than 100 employees.

This is the classic example of the quote: There are only two kinds of languages: the ones people complain about and the ones nobody uses

Can we stop pulling this quote out every time someone brings up a legitimate pain point?

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Hahahahahaha, sore over losing in Ticket to Ride and Catan. Those aren’t even “serious” games.

I only play serious and important board games.

You don’t throw a tantrum over a board game. Because they are just games. The outcome doesn’t matter. Even worse when it’s a simple game that’s barely competitive.

Re: Ex-Facebook director's new book paints brutal image of Mark Zuckerberg

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> Boards have a lot to answer for, and in theory at least, this is their responsibility Boards have plenty of things they're properly responsible for. CEO sociopathy isn't one of them, especially not if it's the profitable type of assholery. The regulation has to come from outside.

How do you legally stop extremely ambitious sociopaths from obtaining positions of power?

> How do you legally stop extremely ambitious sociopaths from obtaining positions of power?

You limit their power. Musk has broken important rules and gotten away with it. Stop doing that. Zuckerberg and Facebook, meanwhile, should have been fined back into the single-digit billionaire category for the terror they’ve unleashed on our children.

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