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Gemma 3 is out! Multimodal (image + text), 128K context, supports 140+ languages, and comes in 1B, 4B, 12B, and 27B sizes with open weights & commercial use. Gemma 3 model overview: https://ai.google.dev/gemma/docs/core Huggingface collection: https://huggingface.co/collections/google/gemma-3-release-67... ollama: https://ollama.com/library/gemma3

A kind of ancillary note, but it's amazing to me how fragmented this presentation and documentation is: * the parent link is to storage.googleapis.com * There's documentation on ai.google.dev * The announcement blogpost is https://blog.google/technology/developers/gemma-3/ * you try it on https://aistudio.google.com/ It's helpful to have a top-level post like this, but can some PM please consolidate this into, IDK, a…

* the code is at https://github.com/google-deepmind/gemma

* you download the weights at https://www.kaggle.com/models/google/gemma-3/

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I suppose siglipv2 wasn't out yet when they were training this - I wonder if there will be an update to the multimodal models or pali-gemma which utilizes Siglip2. Aya Vision from Cohere utilized siglip 2 to great effect

For llama.cpp, this would involve another handcrafted Siglip2 NN process. Interesting—they just figured out how to handle Siglip1. https://github.com/ggml-org/llama.cpp/pull/12344/commits/631...

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It's harmful in that there exists a significant and vocal subset of users who does not wish to see that content or does not wish their children to do so. It's easier to teach your model never to produce that kind of content than to teach it to perfectly distinguish whether this user should see that content or not. TV channels are barred from broadcasting this kind of content for similar reasons. Sure, there are alway…

I heard of this described as the minority effect, that a small minority can have a disproportionate impact. The example given is that it's cheaper to make all instances of a product kosher or halal than to make an entirely separate product.

intransigent minority

"The Most Intolerant Wins: The Dictatorship of the Small Minority"

https://medium.com/incerto/the-most-intolerant-wins-the-dict...

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Thank you! Question: your model supports 140 languages. Given that you are focusing on compactness and efficiency, would you not have gains in also developing models on a selected limited number of languages (e.g. the topmost (in cultural production) four "western" ones with shared alphabet - or similar set)? Edit: of course the multilingual capability can be can be welcome. On the other hand, there are evident cases…

That's an idea we've thought about. However, we think the open source community has already created a very impressive set of language or region-specific finetunes [1] [2]. Also there is a lot of cultural and nuance context in every language that we don't have the capacity to cover sufficiently. So for v3 we focused on creating the best foundational multilingual model. [1] https://huggingface.co/aiplanet/buddhi-indic…

Just wanted to say that Gemini 1.5-Pro is still the SOTA foundational model for certain languages (including non-Google models), so it's disappointing to have received the email that it will be removed in September - it will cause our product quality to go backwards when we're forced to replace it by a worse model. Unless a better one appears in that time, but we've extensively tested all big models and for the languages in question, none of them perform on the same level.

Happy to elaborate if there's a way to get in touch, in case the team isn't aware of this.

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Gemma 3 is out! Multimodal (image + text), 128K context, supports 140+ languages, and comes in 1B, 4B, 12B, and 27B sizes with open weights & commercial use. Gemma 3 model overview: https://ai.google.dev/gemma/docs/core Huggingface collection: https://huggingface.co/collections/google/gemma-3-release-67... ollama: https://ollama.com/library/gemma3

A kind of ancillary note, but it's amazing to me how fragmented this presentation and documentation is: * the parent link is to storage.googleapis.com * There's documentation on ai.google.dev * The announcement blogpost is https://blog.google/technology/developers/gemma-3/ * you try it on https://aistudio.google.com/ It's helpful to have a top-level post like this, but can some PM please consolidate this into, IDK, a…

Apparently ai.google.com currently redirects to ai.google, which is different from ai.google.dev where the Gemini stuff actually is.

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Gemma 3 is out! Multimodal (image + text), 128K context, supports 140+ languages, and comes in 1B, 4B, 12B, and 27B sizes with open weights & commercial use. Gemma 3 model overview: https://ai.google.dev/gemma/docs/core Huggingface collection: https://huggingface.co/collections/google/gemma-3-release-67... ollama: https://ollama.com/library/gemma3

The ollama page shows Gemma 27B beating Deepseek v3 and o3-mini on lmarena. I'm very excited to try it out.

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Gemma 3 is out! Multimodal (image + text), 128K context, supports 140+ languages, and comes in 1B, 4B, 12B, and 27B sizes with open weights & commercial use. Gemma 3 model overview: https://ai.google.dev/gemma/docs/core Huggingface collection: https://huggingface.co/collections/google/gemma-3-release-67... ollama: https://ollama.com/library/gemma3

Doesn't yet work in LM Studio. Barfs an error when trying to load the model. (Error 6, whatever that means. Happy I missed the first 5.)

You need the newest llama.cpp and if you have an amd card and recently updated the drivers, roll them back. Most people complaining are using ROCm.

I assure you gemma 3 works fine in LM studio. Gguf and MLx are available.

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Doesn't yet work in LM Studio. Barfs an error when trying to load the model. (Error 6, whatever that means. Happy I missed the first 5.)

> Barfs an error when trying to load the model Since you're not using the official models (since they're not GGUFs), what exact model are you trying to use? The 3rd party you rely on might have screwed something up.

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I don't see how this actually matters - who cares if it it's different top level domains?

Two reasons it matters: 1) Discoverability 2) "System structure mirrors organization". I.E., it's an indicator of a fragmented and disorganized structure that's not likely to produce cohesive product results.

> System structure mirrors organization

You listed:

- one static pdf file stored on a CDN

- one company blog static website

- one developer documentation static website

- one interactive product URL

As much as I like to dunk on how messy things can be at Google I don't think this is a really good example. Apart from small startups I would be scared if you served all of them from the same base host.

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Greetings from the Gemma team! We just got Gemma 3 out of the oven and are super excited to show it to you! Please drop any questions here and we'll answer ASAP. (Opinions our own and not of Google DeepMind.) PS we are hiring: https://boards.greenhouse.io/deepmind/jobs/6590957

Is speculative decoding possible across 1/4/12/27 B Gemma 3 variants?

LM Studio doesn't allow that (yet), but maybe the s/w requires some adjustments to support speculative decoding with Gemma 3.

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