During the cuban missile crisis back in 1960ish, R̶u̶s̶s̶i̶a̶n̶ Soviets actually had reached the point where they had launch-ready, on-ramp nuclear missiles.
We learned some 20 years later that the US had deployed nuclear missiles of their own in Turkey, and the agreement was to remove those missiles in return.
Back in those days, we had no "nuclear suitcase" for approving a nuclear launch,
and we had US warships surrounding Cuba ("quarantine", brilliant Pres. Kennedy!), themselves encircled by Soviet nuclear-equipped submarines.
I'm glad these men knew what is war like, and didn't get humanity dragged into a MAD, like all of these civilians today are trying to do.
Let's just do a cease-fire, whatever the reason, let's just stop firing, and let's talk.
The enemy is the enemy, this is what it is, but let's not forget, quoting Hemingway, that they are the enemy just because we were born on this side of the mountain, and them on the other side.
If we dehumanize the enemy, what are we then?
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Not sure why you are trying to veer the convo in another direction, but to address it - it's been 3 years, hundreds of thousands died, and absolutely nothing achieved. Please correct me if I am wrong.
If France had hold out until 1943, with the Wehrmacht only making a few hundred yards progress per day, it would have been a massive success, don't you agree? Without western help, Ukraine would have had no chance in hell to survive that long. It's the same logic the US applied to lend-lease, didn't they? There was a good chance of the USSR collapsing until 1943, and you still helped them. Delaying an invading attack…
> when Russia attacks the Baltics in a few years
I wonder what media do you consume to get this absolutely ridiculous idea? baltic states have no beef with Russia (except petty provocations which Russia seem to dismiss), Putin never ever said he will do anything like that and actively emphasised he won't. Where the idea of Russia attacking Baltic states or any other european nation to that matter, have stemmed from (besides nonsensical statements of unelected EU bureaucrats like ursula, who have vested interest in stealing money through warmongering)?
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Amazing to see Russia win the Cold War—one we didn’t even know we were in. Their propaganda network is so strong that it took 3 weeks to go from “Russia is the enemy” to “eh, we have other problems” amongst the folks who…subscribe accordingly. Absolute masterclass in projecting power in the digital age.
There’s no “propaganda network.” America has a president that overthrew the GOP leadership by destroying Jeb Bush over the Iraq War: https://youtu.be/H4ThZcq1oJQ?si=ZawKMFFY3LmAhYMr . After the mistakes of the last two decades, there is little appetite in America to do anything in foreign countries americans can’t find on a map beyond empty virtue signaling.
Trump cited Russian propaganda of Zelensky‘s 4% approval rate.
So where did he get that from?
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Amazing to see Russia win the Cold War—one we didn’t even know we were in. Their propaganda network is so strong that it took 3 weeks to go from “Russia is the enemy” to “eh, we have other problems” amongst the folks who…subscribe accordingly. Absolute masterclass in projecting power in the digital age.
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Sorry to burst your bubble, there is already a war and Russia is winning thanks to Trump.
And don’t think it will be last one Russia started.
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We allied with Stalin in world war III, now that's evil. Putin will be a good ally against China, who is an actual threat to the United States.
An ally that has broken pretty much any agreement he has ever made, invades neighbouring countries and spins alternative facts around to justify it, suppresses and fights just about any values that the USA used to hold, and played a key role in the KGB, a hostile secret service? An ally that is ever more dependent on China economically? I refuse to believe you can be so dense to actually think that!
It's so heavily being pushed on social media right now, I suspect it's coming from the same forces who tried to make people believe that Trump would deliver more weapons to Ukraine and that Trump would be the better option for Palestine.
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It's one thing to stop all aid to Ukraine. That makes you an asshole in a world full of assholes. But it's another thing to do that while simultaneously working to restore relations with Russia. There is only one word for that: evil. Back in the late 90s to late 2000s, people in Western Europe generally had pretty negative views of the US. It was the country that refused to fight against climate change, launched an i…
We allied with Stalin in world war III, now that's evil. Putin will be a good ally against China, who is an actual threat to the United States.
Let me quote Harry S. Truman:
> If we see that Germany is winning we ought to help Russia and if Russia is winning we ought to help Germany, and that way let them kill as many as possible.
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#237It would be one thing if there was a clear policy and adherence to it. In that case, you could discuss and reason in good faith. However there is no such indication that this decision is based on a considered policy. Trump's supporters would say that this is a result of not wanting the US being involved in foreign conflicts. That is a laudable goal, however that is not what is happening here. From the article > On Fr…
This is, unfortunately about one thing only: The Nobel Peace Prize. As Trump sees it, Zelenskyy is blocking Trump's peace prize by not agreeing to his (very bad) terms that are designed with one purpose in mind: Quickly freezing the conflict so that he can declare himself peacemaker and get his prize (because Obama got his 9 months into his term). The Russians have been grooming him since the 80s (along with many oth…
This makes no sense.
Zelenskyy should just have said "If Russia won't break any treaty, you shouldn't have a problem providing a backstop"
Trump just wants to rape Ukraine while he can. It's nothing to do with peace. If he was serious he could offer a backstop and get peace over night.
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I can imagine the very same thing being said if the USA had pulled out of the War on Terror. B-but they have WMD! The NYT said so!
It really sucks that "Saddam has WMDs" broke an entire generation of Americans into knee-jerk contrarianism regarding any global conflict US is involved in. What's the "WMD" equivalent here - what do you think the media is lying to you about? That there's an ongoing Russian invasion of Ukraine is something all involved parties acknowledge.
once bitten, twice shy
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/once%20bitten%2C%...
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Buy a plane ticket and see it for yourself. There is a demographic deficit in the Baltics, but it is only visible in rural areas and third-tier cities. Tallinn, Riga, Vilnius, Kaunas and Klaipeda are absolutely lively and prosperous cities full of people, including youngsters (no surprise, because both the jobs and the universities are there).
Yea, Latvia is actually doing quite alright culturally for it's small size. We have multiple NBA players, Oscar winning producer ( movie Flow ) and bronze in hockey world championship in 2023. All that for a population bit below 2 million is not bad, sadly none of that will matter if we get invaded.