Earlier quoted context omitted.
You’re at the 200 dollar tier?
I have Pro, just updated the app, but don't currently have access
Same.
GPT-4.5
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Re: GPT-4.5
#232Obviously it’s expensive and still I would prefer a reasoning model for coding.
However for user facing applications like mine, this is an awesome step in the right direction for EQ / tone / voice. Obviously it will get distilled into cheaper open models very soon, so I’m not too worried about the price or even tokens per second.
Re: GPT-4.5
#233GPT 4.5 pricing is insane: Price Input: $75.00 / 1M tokens Cached input: $37.50 / 1M tokens Output: $150.00 / 1M tokens GPT 4o pricing for comparison: Price Input: $2.50 / 1M tokens Cached input: $1.25 / 1M tokens Output: $10.00 / 1M tokens It sounds like it's so expensive and the difference in usefulness is so lacking(?) they're not even gonna keep serving it in the API for long: > GPT‑4.5 is a very large and comput…
I think it's fairer to compare it to the original GPT-4 which might the equivalent in term of "size" (though we don't have actual numbers for either). GPT-4: Input $30.00 / 1M tokens ; Output $60.00 / 1M tokens So 4.5 is 2.5x more expensive. I think they announced this as their last non-reasoning model, so it was maybe with the goal of stretching pre-training as far as they could, just to see what new capabilities wo…
Why would that be fairer? We can assume they did incorporate all learnings and optimizations they made post gpt-4 launch, no?
Re: GPT-4.5
#234Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sam Altman's explanation for the restriction is a bit fluffier: https://x.com/sama/status/1895203654103351462 > bad news: it is a giant, expensive model. we really wanted to launch it to plus and pro at the same time, but we've been growing a lot and are out of GPUs. we will add tens of thousands of GPUs next week and roll it out to the plus tier then. (hundreds of thousands coming soon, and i'm pretty sure y'all wil…
I’m not an expert or anything, but from my vantage point, each passing release makes Altman’s confidence look more aspirational than visionary, which is a really bad place to be with that kind of money tied up. My financial manager is pretty bullish on tech so I hope he is paying close attention to the way this market space is evolving. He’s good at his job, a nice guy, and surely wears much more expensive underwear…
> each passing release makes Altman’s confidence look more aspirational than visionary
As an LLM cynic, I feel that point passed long go, perhaps even before Altman claimed countries would start wars to conquer the territory around GPU datacenters, or promoting the dream of a 7 T-for-trillion dollar investment deal, etc.
Alas, the market can remain irrational longer than I can remain solvent.
Re: GPT-4.5
#235GPT 4.5 pricing is insane: Price Input: $75.00 / 1M tokens Cached input: $37.50 / 1M tokens Output: $150.00 / 1M tokens GPT 4o pricing for comparison: Price Input: $2.50 / 1M tokens Cached input: $1.25 / 1M tokens Output: $10.00 / 1M tokens It sounds like it's so expensive and the difference in usefulness is so lacking(?) they're not even gonna keep serving it in the API for long: > GPT‑4.5 is a very large and comput…
one of the problem seem to be there's no alternative to Nvidia ecosystem. (the gpu + CUDA).
Re: GPT-4.5
#236GPT 4.5 pricing is insane: Price Input: $75.00 / 1M tokens Cached input: $37.50 / 1M tokens Output: $150.00 / 1M tokens GPT 4o pricing for comparison: Price Input: $2.50 / 1M tokens Cached input: $1.25 / 1M tokens Output: $10.00 / 1M tokens It sounds like it's so expensive and the difference in usefulness is so lacking(?) they're not even gonna keep serving it in the API for long: > GPT‑4.5 is a very large and comput…
In other words, they want people to pay for the privilege of becoming beta testers....
Re: GPT-4.5
#237In a hilarious act of accidental satire, it seems that the AI-generated audio version of the post has a weird glitch/mispronunciation within the first three words — it struggles to say "GPT-4.5".
Re: GPT-4.5
#238A bit better at coding than ChatGPT 4o but not better than o3-mini - there is a chart near the bottom of the page that is easy to overlook: - ChatGPT 4.5 on AWS Bench verified: 38.0% - ChatGPT 4o on AWS Bench verified: 30.7% - OpenAI o3-mini on AWS Bench verified: 61.0% BTW Anthropic Claude 3.7 is better than o3-mini at coding at around 62-70% [1]. This means that I'll stick with Claude 3.7 for the time being for my…
>BTW Anthropic Claude 3.7 is better than o3-mini at coding at around 62-70% [1]. This means that I'll stick with Claude 3.7 for the time being for my open source alternative to Claude-code That's not a fair comparison as o3-mini is significantly cheaper. It's fine if your employer is paying, but on a personal project the cost of using Claude through the API is really noticeable.
If open ai offers a more expensive model (4.5) and a cheaper model (3 mini) and both are worse, it starts to be a fair comparison
Re: GPT-4.5
#239It's sad that all I can think about this is that it's just another creep forward of the surveillance oligarchy
I really used to get excited about ML in the wild and while there are much bigger problems right now it still makes me sad to have become so jaded about it
Re: GPT-4.5
#240This is probably a dumb question, but are we just gonna be stuck on always having X.5 versions of GPT forever? If there's never an X.0, it feels like it's basically meaningless.
There was 3, 3.5, 4, 4o, and then 4.5.
There are things to complain about in that, but “its always X.5 and never X.0” doesn't really seem to be one of them.