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I found a backdoor into my bed

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Post by pedalpete »

ok_computer wrote: post #196
wedn3sday wrote: post #66

A $20/month bed subscription is objectively hilarious. I cant imagine how this company attracts a non-zero number of clients.

If I could afford it, I’d certainly get a >$2000 queen size mattress in a few years. Nice firm mattresses are expensive. Internet connection and temperature control are not something I’m remotely interested in. A subscription doubly so. This is hilarious and illustrates how naive and reliant people are for technology to solve every problem in their lives.

I think that's just the price for the cover. You still need to supply your expensive mattress.

Re: I found a backdoor into my bed

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Post by adiabatty »

jimt1234 wrote: post #223

> For someone who suffers from insomnia this seemed worth a shot. I can relate, having suffered the same for most of my life. One thing that really helped me was a simple white noise machine, typically used to help babies sleep. Good: I sleep great with it. Also, it's not connected to the internet and doesn't require an app. Bad: I basically can't sleep without it. I have to travel with it (camping!). I even purchase…

If you’d rather not buy another gizmo for a function your phone has likely gobbled up already…

iOS, iPadOS, and macOS have a pretty great built-in background-noise generator these days. While lots of actual beaches can go dead silent and then have a loud wave crash in, the waves that

It’s available in Settings -> Accessibility -> Audio & Visual -> Background Sounds. You’ll have to download the sounds each once, but after that they stay on your device.

Digging this deeply in Settings isn’t pleasant if you just want some white noise, so you may want to add a control to Control Center like “Background Sounds” (way down in the Hearing Accessibility section) to turn the ocean noise on and off.

I turn this on my iPad when going to bed if I want to take extra steps to ensure that I don’t wake up in the middle of the night.

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Post by pedalpete »

rmason wrote: post #195

I looked really hard at buying an 8 Sleep. I have techie friends who swear by them. But one of the big reasons I didn't go forward I don't see mentioned here and that is noise. I need a dark and quiet room to sleep. Someone told me they returned their 8 sleep because of the constant fan noise of the computer running the thing. He told me it was like having a server in your bedroom. I am also not keen at all needing t…

I have a friend who felt the cover was really uncomfortable as well. He had a really expensive mattress, but said he could feel the cooling tubes in the cover.

I'll do you one better on "collecting sleep data". I've been in the neurotech/sleeptech space for the last 5 years developing https://affectablesleep.com

After getting an Oura ring years ago, and it telling me "you didn't get enough sleep[deep, REM]" I was left thinking "so what?? don't tell me I didn't do it, help me to do it!"

From what I've seen in the market, possibly with the exception of 8Sleep or CPAP (for those who need it), is that everyone is focused on counting minutes, and adding a few minutes to sleep. Particularly "fall asleep faster" where they promote "fall asleep x% faster" where x% in minutes is like 7 or 8 minutes.

What is really valuable in sleep, and particularly deep sleep, is not really the time, it's the restorative brain functions, and at the moment, we are focused on one metric slow-wave delta power. It's not how many minutes you sleep, it's how much sleep is in each minute.

Of course, there is sleep data along with that, but if your sleep is optimized in the time you get, do you really care about the daily data?

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Post by 0_____0 »

geodel wrote: post #202
palmotea wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> In addition to everything else, also love how a bed with the express purpose to increase sleep quality requires you to open your phone every time you want to adjust a setting. Don't worry, they'll repeat over and over how their product was thoughtfully designed with exquisite craftsmanship by the re-animated corpse of Johnny Ive [1] until people believe it's true. [1] I know he's not dead. Also... > ... Essentially…

I mean this comment is slightly disconcerting to next generation of brilliant hackers sleeping on this bed and dreaming big of a Cloud controlled Toilet Paper Dispenser , Effececy®. It will always give right amount of paper based of amount and moisture content of just delivered product.

I rolled my own solution to this using a Boston Dynamics Spot (2nd gen). With the structured light scanner, YOLO v5 for classification, and a custom IK solver (BD's is too hard for me), I can just lay back like a baby once I'm finished and Spot takes care of everything.

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Post by aucisson_masque »

lijok wrote: post #138
wedn3sday wrote: post #66

A $20/month bed subscription is objectively hilarious. I cant imagine how this company attracts a non-zero number of clients.

*subjectively. Once you realize just how important quality sleep is, and how much this can help, $20/month bed subscription becomes a laughably small price to pay.

in a way, yes. 20$/month to marginally improve sleep efficiency can be worth it, especially when you have high energy expenditure and need to be able to keep up.

on the other hand, paying 20$/month for the right to use the bed, that your purchased at 2000$ cost is a ripoff.

sleeping isn't costly, has never been, yet a company is trying to enforce it and i can see how it doesn't go well with most people.

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Post by perching_aix »

doublerabbit wrote: post #227
perching_aix wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Toxins? What?

Why else is there plastic in your brain? How do you think you make "cold"? when cold leaks, it can be toxic.

Cold cannot be "made", as it's an absence of something (energy), nor can it "leak" as a result.

I take what you mean is that there will be a refrigeration loop involved, and in that, a refrigerant. Just like all substances, refrigerants can be toxic, sure, but that alone is not what makes a toxin [0]. It's also not a binary thing, and between air conditioning and refrigerators, an appliance like this I don't see why would stand out.

I further haven't got a clue what microplastics having been found to pass the blood brain barrier have to do with this, or how you're able to determine whether that applies to me or not, specifically.

[0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toxin

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Post by collingreen »

0_____0 wrote: post #235
geodel wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean this comment is slightly disconcerting to next generation of brilliant hackers sleeping on this bed and dreaming big of a Cloud controlled Toilet Paper Dispenser , Effececy®. It will always give right amount of paper based of amount and moisture content of just delivered product.

I rolled my own solution to this using a Boston Dynamics Spot (2nd gen). With the structured light scanner, YOLO v5 for classification, and a custom IK solver (BD's is too hard for me), I can just lay back like a baby once I'm finished and Spot takes care of everything.

This is a super funny idea if it works (in theory; I get it's a joke) and a SUPER funny idea if it malfunctions in particular ways.

Re: I found a backdoor into my bed

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Post by triceratops »

balls187 wrote: post #10
EvanAnderson wrote: post #3

The state of the product's security wasn't unexpected. I was, however, shocked by this part: > I was willing to overlook: > The bed costs $2,000 > It won’t function if the internet goes down > Basic features are behind an additional $19/mo subscription > The bed’s only controls are via mobile app Nothing about this bed should depend on off-site servers. Nothing about the product should necessitate a subscription fee.…

Don't blame the market. Blame the engineers who know the risks of such foolishness that lack the courage and conviction to stand up to decision makers.

> Blame the engineers

I actually commend them for making money off the morons who dreamed this up. They've hopefully put it to better use.

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Post by throwaway81523 »

Yuggh. There is also a bed chilling thing from sleep.me that is around $600. I haven't looked into it enough to tell whether it is internet connected. But I've been aware of it because my mom is very fussy about her sleeping temperature and it might be something I should look into when it gets warmer.
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