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You don’t understand the Musk business model. It has been the same for years. His wealth doesn’t come from his products, but from his fanbase buying his stock. The purpose of everything he does is to influence the public opinion to make him the tech genius of today in the collective psyche. Of course, he needs to do impressive things, stuff that a normal person wouldn’t have the resources to achieve. It’s similar to…

I'm interested in what you're saying about classical business terms. Can you elaborate on that a little? I've always found these kinds of people hard to understand. The man has almost unlimited wealth and his motivations seem consistently petty and strange or just downright ludicrous. He's like an alien to me. I've noted the same feeling when seeing VCs/business people speak when I've encountered them.

The classic business is about producing valuable economic outputs and creating a stable revenue flow from bringing them to market.

The modern era post-business is about dipping into everyone’s pockets, by securing cash flow from the stock market and the government.

Here building a profitable business model is less important than convincing people and the government to give you that dough. And the best way to do it is to have clout.

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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It's started with abusing the term "AI", I don't see a reason why they would not abuse "open source". I guess it's what happens to language when a concept becomes mainstream: people use it wrong, but if enough people do it, it becomes the new meaning? But I agree, it's a real shame.

I dislike when people like RMS get semantic and gatekeep words like "free software", but this is the end product of a world without gatekeepers. People just use words in a way that's convenient to them.

> People just use words in a way that's convenient to them.

Literally how language has always worked and evolved, though.

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don’t understand the Musk business model. It has been the same for years. His wealth doesn’t come from his products, but from his fanbase buying his stock. The purpose of everything he does is to influence the public opinion to make him the tech genius of today in the collective psyche. Of course, he needs to do impressive things, stuff that a normal person wouldn’t have the resources to achieve. It’s similar to…

There is an exception: Tesla FSD (the US version, not the horrible EU version) this is rather cool and impressive, and unbeaten in the market for now. Though free and open-source solutions are not that bad like https://github.com/ApolloAuto/apollo But the build quality of a Tesla car itself, omg. It feels like a carton box with an amazing battery.

See my other comment. Some of his ventures do produce value. That’s not where the money comes from.

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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I don't understand how and why Grok would be related to "understanding the nature of the universe", as Musk puts it. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but they basically just burned more cash than any human should have to buy Nvidia GPUs and make them predict natural language, right? So, they are somewhat on-par with all the other companies that did the same. This is not innovation, this is baseless hype over a mediocr…

Is this the first time you're hearing Elon Musk speak? His entire public presence consists of stuttering out vapid stentences like these.

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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Off topic, but just in case: is there a good reference on how people actually use LLMs on a daily basis ? All my attempts so far have been pretty underwhelming: * when I use chatbots as search engines, I'm very quickly disappointed by obvious hallucinations * I ended up disabling github copilot because it was just "auto-complete on steroids" at best, and "auto-complete on mushrooms" at worst * I rarely have use cases…

The only plausible explanation for the amount of resources poured into these language models is the hope that they somehow become the origin of AGI, which I think is pretty fanciful. I can feel the cold wind of the next AI winter coming on. It's inevitable. Computers are good at emulating intelligent behavior, people get excited that it's around the corner, and the hype boils over. This isn't the last time this will…

Everyone seems to have a different definition for AGI. Is there some kind of standard there?

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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Because running a company is different to running a state and we doubt his intentions, not his skills. Someone that is not elected gets 8mill/day from the government now overseas the government with some 20-year old fanatics that can’t even put up a secure website for DOGE?

Yeah, most of the government isn't elected, that's how it works. You only vote for 3 roles in the Federal government (I guess 4 if you count the veep). The rest of them are hired.

For those downvoting, the roles are President, Vice President, Senator, and Representative.

Outside of that, everyone is hired / appointed.

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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Off topic, but just in case: is there a good reference on how people actually use LLMs on a daily basis ? All my attempts so far have been pretty underwhelming: * when I use chatbots as search engines, I'm very quickly disappointed by obvious hallucinations * I ended up disabling github copilot because it was just "auto-complete on steroids" at best, and "auto-complete on mushrooms" at worst * I rarely have use cases…

The only plausible explanation for the amount of resources poured into these language models is the hope that they somehow become the origin of AGI, which I think is pretty fanciful. I can feel the cold wind of the next AI winter coming on. It's inevitable. Computers are good at emulating intelligent behavior, people get excited that it's around the corner, and the hype boils over. This isn't the last time this will…

I think this still applies https://x.com/dwarkesh_sp/status/1888164523984470055, LLMs now are useful but we need something else for AGI.

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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Off topic, but just in case: is there a good reference on how people actually use LLMs on a daily basis ? All my attempts so far have been pretty underwhelming: * when I use chatbots as search engines, I'm very quickly disappointed by obvious hallucinations * I ended up disabling github copilot because it was just "auto-complete on steroids" at best, and "auto-complete on mushrooms" at worst * I rarely have use cases…

The Vergecast recently did a section where they asked listeners what they use LLMs for (specifically not for coding) https://youtu.be/WwNjBNtZ3Co 30 minutes starting at 45:25, it had a number of interesting examples. Might not convince you of LLM's excellence, or might not be much different from what other people commented, but it's a good listen nonetheless.

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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Off topic, but just in case: is there a good reference on how people actually use LLMs on a daily basis ? All my attempts so far have been pretty underwhelming: * when I use chatbots as search engines, I'm very quickly disappointed by obvious hallucinations * I ended up disabling github copilot because it was just "auto-complete on steroids" at best, and "auto-complete on mushrooms" at worst * I rarely have use cases…

I just used chat gpt to summarise a HN post about it taking unexpectedly long to install a washing machine because of unexpected turns of events, and this being analogous to software development. It was a time-saver.

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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Off topic, but just in case: is there a good reference on how people actually use LLMs on a daily basis ? All my attempts so far have been pretty underwhelming: * when I use chatbots as search engines, I'm very quickly disappointed by obvious hallucinations * I ended up disabling github copilot because it was just "auto-complete on steroids" at best, and "auto-complete on mushrooms" at worst * I rarely have use cases…

I like having fun with them, like by asking grok whether some Elon Musk tweet is true. Usually it replies with a lengthy answer and I then force it to answer with Yes or No. Even more fun when drilling it more to load a few more details into it's brain, and then ask the first question again, with a Yes/No only, it sometimes does change its answer. I do wonder, has Grok already joined the resistance against Musk?
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