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To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by jajko »

lnsru wrote: post #76

I stoped reading when the writer admitted, that he bought a Tesla in a country without official dealership. Common sense tells me not to do this. That’s the situation when EU consumer laws start failing. That’s very brave, but not clever move at all!!! Having service center 300 miles away is too far. It’s not lot of statistics, but I know cases where guys needed replacement parts before new other brand car reached 50…

More like 70km, in neighboring Vienna both connected via high speed highway, can be maybe 40m drive

Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by teekert »

NilMostChill wrote: post #203
teekert wrote: post #179

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Again an opinion , Musk said it was not a Nazi salute, he didn't repeat it, he has many Jewish supporters also saying it wasn't. Just stop, please, I'm really about to give up on the comment sections here.

This seems like you're trying to say that you'll leave if you continue seeing things you don't agree with. That's 100% allowed, i'd personally encourage it, if you find yourself in a place you don't enjoy, stop going to that place. That's a mature response to a self-imposed stressful environment.

Sure, I agree with you, it just depends on what you want HN to be. I am an outsider to the US, I see your country as deeply divided. Families torn apart because of how they vote. Unthinkable here, probably unthinkable over there up until 10 years ago. In fact it seems more and more likely the US will erupt in a civil war, and split in 2.

It just such a shame that HN, what I see as a gathering ground of intelligent people, is so much contributing to the divide by labeling people with other opinions as sub-humans almost. Belligerent, closed, judging. I don't like it.

It's frightening.

Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by lnsru »

supermatt wrote: post #202
lnsru wrote: post #194

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In theory same EU consumer protection everywhere. In the reality one needs layers in seller’s and buyer’s countries. Then the law can be exercised for many thousands euros. Edit: had this situation in 2024. BMW sold a faulty car with international warranty. When the buyer found broken rear differential BMW offered to cover 3% repair cost. So the question was to sue BMW or pay 4000€ for by warranty covered repair out…

> In the reality one needs layers in seller’s and buyer’s countries That is also not true at all. Under EU consumer law, the consumer can bring a case against the seller in the consumers country. Please stop spreading misinformation. https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/reg/2012/1215/oj/eng (section 4)

So how do you start? Send a letter? Make a call? Serious question, how you force a megacorp to listen to your problems?

Edit: there is this classical problem description at the very end of the article: “He promised me that on Monday, January 6, 2025, someone from the Sales Department would contact me.” And that’s the end. Nobody will listen to an individual. Lawyers know the back door and suddenly things start happening.

Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by rcMgD2BwE72F »

viraptor wrote: post #99
rcMgD2BwE72F wrote: post #66

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>Tesla sales are plummeting all over the world currently, also in the US. No. Sales plummeted right before they released the long-awaited refresh of the Model Y. By far their best selling model. We have access to weekly sales numbers in China, and guess what, sales are going through the roof again. This refresh was introduced globally (all factories converted simultaneously), which is a first for Tesla.

Have you got the source? I feel like someone would be shouting loudly about it if that was the case.

https://x.com/piloly/status/1884095767780155666/photo/1

Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by rightbyte »

voidUpdate wrote: post #226
tobyhinloopen wrote: post #20

I had similar experiences with a modern Volvo. (XC40 T8 EV). Modern cars seem to be absolutely terrible. It's like all those Single Page Applications on the web that are just downgrades over the classic Server-Side Rendered apps. Sure, you have more features, but at what cost? Reliability. I think the last generations of cars before the touch buttons and screens were the last "okay" generation. Somewhere in 2010s, al…

If I was to buy a car these days (which I'm not, I don't have nearly enough money for that), I'd want something with as little "computer" in it as possible. Just a box with 4 wheels and an engine, or maybe a battery and a motor, maybe a heater for when it gets a bit cold, and I'll throw a bluetooth speaker in the back seat if I need something to listen to

It feels a bit counterintuitive to go for a Bluetooth speaker over 3.5mm?

Your low tech car will feel like a emotional prison. Of all the annoying modernities you want the worst one? If you want to make a deal with the devil I would choose rear camera.

Think about it. All the headache and time to pair Bluetooth devices over a dead simple connector.

I would aim for a pre 2016 car. I think that has some margin to the Internet of Shit product lines?

Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by ZeroGravitas »

yreg wrote: post #154
Zanfa wrote: post #60

Putting aside the ethics of buying a Tesla in 2024, who buys a car brand legendary for unreliability and ridiculously long service times in a country that doesn't even have a dealership? Some people like to live dangerously.

> who buys a car brand in a country that doesn't even have a dealership? I too have bought a TM3 in Slovakia. The closest Tesla service center to Bratislava is 50 kilometers away, in Vienna. What's the problem with not having a branch here as well?

Do the remote service teams travel across the border? That would probably be more impactful than the physical distance if e.g. there was some minor recall that travelling repair men could take care of while the car is parked at home or work.

Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by caseyy »

mometsi wrote: post #220
caseyy wrote: post #182

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Consumer protection laws. Almost every company has known issues with it. But consumers should have boundaries for what's acceptable and what crosses the line. And those boundaries are set by consumer protection laws. If every wronged customer can sue the seller due to a clear breach of the law, then the seller/manufacturer quickly falls in line and stops being a nuisance to society.

Mandatory binding arbitration will still be an issue. Maybe pack those pseudocourts by registering a huge roster of consumer-oriented arbitrators?

> Mandatory binding arbitration will still be an issue.

No, because consumer laws can outlaw forced arbitration. They usually trump any contract law, so even consumers that agree to arbitration may not be required to go through with it.

For example, in Germany, any arbitration agreements must be separate from the sale/service contract with consumers[0]: "Yet, arbitration agreements with consumers require that stricter formalities be observed: such arbitration agreements must be signed by both parties separately from the main contract to which they relate (section 1031(5) ZPO)". You cannot bake one into the contract to which it relates. The seller may insist the customer signs an arbitration contract, but the sale contract cannot be conditional on agreeing to arbitration, so the arbitration becomes optional rather than forced.

Of course, I understand many countries do not have such strong consumer protection around forced arbitration. This is why more consumer protection is needed.

https://globalarbitrationreview.com/insight/know-how/commerc...

Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by chikere232 »

teekert wrote: post #209
chikere232 wrote: post #180

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I think there are lots of sort of tuned out but generally nice people who might shy away from buying a tesla if the perfidity of Musk is mentioned whenever tesla is discussed. The people who like Musk are probably beyond help

It always helps indeed, to change people's minds when you tell them "You are probably beyond help" or "You should feel bad if you do X". It's been great for my relationships! In fact, I'm gonna write a blog post now: "Things I wish someone would have told me before I went online and started sharing my opinions"! It's gonna be a guaranteed front-pager!

"Probably beyond help" means they're not going to change their opinions no matter what, so trying to find phrasing that helps change their opinions is a waste of time.

Being a musk supporter in this day and age isn't a simple difference in opinion, unless you're a good person who's been living under a rock, in which case a mention of musk being pretty awful could actually help you.

Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by rcMgD2BwE72F »

jamespo wrote: post #92
rcMgD2BwE72F wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Tesla sales are plummeting all over the world currently, also in the US. No. Sales plummeted right before they released the long-awaited refresh of the Model Y. By far their best selling model. We have access to weekly sales numbers in China, and guess what, sales are going through the roof again. This refresh was introduced globally (all factories converted simultaneously), which is a first for Tesla.

Long-awaited by who?

People looking for a new SUV wherever the Y is more popular than the RAV4, maybe?

You can start with Norway for example: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=NO&q=%...

The UK: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=GB&q=%...

California: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=US-CA&...

You get this.

Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by teekert »

nhinck3 wrote: post #229
teekert wrote: post #209

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It always helps indeed, to change people's minds when you tell them "You are probably beyond help" or "You should feel bad if you do X". It's been great for my relationships! In fact, I'm gonna write a blog post now: "Things I wish someone would have told me before I went online and started sharing my opinions"! It's gonna be a guaranteed front-pager!

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Please re-read my comments. I don't state anything for or against Musk, I make it a point not to. I try to stress that things are not as one-sided as this comment-thread tries to make it out to be. I believe that that is a good thing.

Is it not amazing to you, that you have just labelled someone that tries to argue against divisiveness as a Nazi supporter? My country, my grand parents suffered greatly under the Nazi's. I know what divisiveness does, I know what labeling another group of people as less-human, and stopping all attempts at conversation with them, can do.

Fixing your country's politics is not done by working hard to increase the divide. Sure, be against Trump/Musk, but at the very least try to understand their supporters. You'll find that most of them are kind.

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