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Re: Fair Pricing

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Post by weird-eye-issue »

Propelloni wrote: post #154
weird-eye-issue wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Common sense should tell you that the amount a company like Google or Meta are fined is a lot higher than a "normal company"

It's built in. EU laws usually have a fining mechanism that says X % of {global/EU/regional} sales or a fixed sum, whichever is higher. For example the GDPR says in Art. 83(5) [1]: > Infringements of the following provisions shall, in accordance with paragraph 2, be subject to administrative fines up to 20 000 000 EUR, or in the case of an undertaking, up to 4 % of the total worldwide annual turnover of the preceding…

Yes, exactly. So those "huge fines" won't really scare a normal company since it would not apply to them

Re: Fair Pricing

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Post by Gareth321 »

jorvi wrote: post #125
ajdude wrote: post #86

Unfortunately, I will never be able to take advantage of this policy, For the very reason that I have kagi Set as my exclusive search engine on every single device that I own, And there's no way that I could go even a Day, let alone a month, without using this fantastic service. Keep up the good work guys!

Absolutely seconded. What I also love is Vlad / the Kagi team's fierce neutrality. For example, there have been complaints about including results from certain indexes like Brave and Yandex, or about suicide, or other political / sensitive stuff and Vlad's response is virtually always a shade of "no matter what, we will display the results because we are a search engine foremost". Oh and they have built-in CSS inject…

It is the primary reason I use Kagi. I have become horrified by the widespread use of censorship for political reasons in search engines like Google. I'm not a child. I can make up my own mind.

Re: Fair Pricing

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Post by Gareth321 »

s_dev wrote: post #138

I will sign back up for a paid service when funding Russian search engine Yandex is dropped. Many like to forget there is a war.

We all have our red lines to draw. I personally use Kagi because it doesn't censor results from politically contentious sources like Yandex. Quite the opposite.

Re: Fair Pricing

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Post by p3rls »

rsynnott wrote: post #223

> Introducing Fair Pricing This is _really_ weird marketing, in that it implies that previously the pricing was _unfair_. That's not an idea you generally want to put in your customers' heads.

What my mind went to, how could someone forget to use a search engine, especially one that is supposedly so much better than Google for a whole month?

Re: Fair Pricing

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Post by mbix77 »

cuu508 wrote: post #157
ranguna wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sources?

https://kagifeedback.org/d/5445-reconsider-yandex-integratio...

Calling the invasion of Ukraine and the killing of hundreds of thousands people, targeting kindergartens, hospitals, normal civilians, destabilizing an entire continent --> "politics".

"any search source we consider using goes through rigorous evaluation process that considers: result quality, API availability, economic viability, result latency, legal terms, privacy terms, and technical feasibility. the moment 'politics' is a part of factors being considered for search results, is the moment I stop working on a search engine."

Re: Fair Pricing

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Post by whereismyacc »

I've never heard about Kagi but a paid search engine just sounds great? I assume the userbase will always be small enough that websites won't bother doing SEO for it. Maybe there's some low hanging fruit there in getting less spammy results?

Re: Fair Pricing

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Post by dgacmu »

ffsm8 wrote: post #173
mathw wrote: post #141

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This is the point where you realise the investors were, like most times, a mistake. I don't know if Kagi have any investors or not, but I am kind of hoping the subscription model means they don't need them.

Technically, they do https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36517149 But as the comments pointed out, the invested money is "only" ~700k, so they're likely not such a mistake as you're imagining

No need to really - users + revenue is enough to figure it out. And you want to see revenue anyway.

(I'm one of those small investors in Kagi.)

Re: Fair Pricing

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Post by cuu508 »

Gareth321 wrote: post #233
s_dev wrote: post #138

I will sign back up for a paid service when funding Russian search engine Yandex is dropped. Many like to forget there is a war.

We all have our red lines to draw. I personally use Kagi because it doesn't censor results from politically contentious sources like Yandex. Quite the opposite.

The problem, for me, is not censoring/not censoring sources like Yandex. The problem is them sharing profit with Yandex.

Re: Fair Pricing

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Post by yegg »

ajdude wrote: post #136
jorvi wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Absolutely seconded. What I also love is Vlad / the Kagi team's fierce neutrality. For example, there have been complaints about including results from certain indexes like Brave and Yandex, or about suicide, or other political / sensitive stuff and Vlad's response is virtually always a shade of "no matter what, we will display the results because we are a search engine foremost". Oh and they have built-in CSS inject…

That's a big reason for me too; when I remember when DuckDuckGo blocked "tank Man" a couple years ago, at that point that I considered DDG compromised: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27394925 I get a lot out of their regex redirect for their search results, notably redirecting reddit to old.reddit -- a lifesaver when searching on mobile.

We never blocked this image and we would have no incentive to either since we’ve been banned in China since 2014. Here’s my statement from back then: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27528324

Re: Fair Pricing

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Post by fastball »

maccard wrote: post #26
fastball wrote: post #9

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The problem is that there are still huge amounts of services with awful dark patterns out there. There’s an instagram gym clothing brand called Fabletics which is £55/month for their vip tier. They auto subscribe you with a purchase (and when I say buried in the fine print, I really do mean _buried_ in the fine print). To cancel, you have to do it between the 1st and the 4th of the month, and it’s a multi page form w…

I am 100% against dark patterns and yes, my comment assumed that it is very easy for the individual to cancel the service themselves.

I also think Kagi is great for doing this.

Punishing companies because they don't do this is another thing entirely, which is what the comment I was replying to suggested.

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