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Re: What's happening inside the NIH and NSF

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Seems like a good opportunity for other countries to recruit scientists. I think its underappreciated how much of America's modern success comes down to attracting scientists and intellectuals from war torn europe in the 30s-50s.

I hold the idea that brain drain, i.e. emigration of skilled people, is one of only a small handful of real methods to hold fascism to account. With that, as things start to get real bad it seems leaving is something of a moral duty for anyone who cares, has skills that hold real weight, and can still afford to do so. Obviously where this "real bad" point is is hard to say, and there's important tradeoffs to consider…

I am withdrawing my money from the US stock market. Other people might not give a shit, but I want to invest my money in a functional democracy.

Re: What's happening inside the NIH and NSF

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The World Wide Web essentially exits due to grants from the NSF and alumni from those grants starting Netscape.

the irony of Andreesen now being one of those now gloating over its destruction

Just the ol’ pull up the ladder trick

Re: What's happening inside the NIH and NSF

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It just needs something small to be taken away or happen that ignite and capture the collective imagination.

Something small like in-person gatherings for several years in response to a pandemic? Like someone else in the thread claimed was a made-up problem that's only in peoples' heads? It's really interesting seeing how widely varied peoples' definitions of these things are.

People only care about the freedoms to do things they themselves enjoy. Nothing new about that. Much like people only care about authoritarian overreach when the opposition is in power. We should always care, because the power taken by one will remain for the next. Eventually if too much power accrues to any branch it will end the separation of powers. It may have already happened, and once it does, there are no parties, only that boot. Authoritarians are all the same party, they exist at the integer wrap of left vs right. It is why you see extremists from both ends swapping parties far more often than those towards the middle.

Re: What's happening inside the NIH and NSF

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The cynic in me thinks that the US is going to roll over and take this fascist shake down. The optimist in me thinks that the people will rise up with a resounding NO and do something about it. Right now I'm not sure which I believe.

I live in the US; born here, lived here all my life. The former is 100% how it will go. The only question is: how bad will it get? A poster down thread mentions a million dead immigrants. I personally think it will just be in the low 6 figures. Maybe high 5 figures.

So I am moving all my money to cash, I would rather not invest in a fascist state.

Re: What's happening inside the NIH and NSF

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just two days ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42910829 the problems that led to these frauds are structural --no amount of patching the system will fix this. maybe we should consider the possibility that we are due for a refactor, which is often painful, but especially painful for people (or code) with an entrenched incentive to continue existing. i dont mean to defend what the administration is doing but I…

> no amount of patching the system will fix this. > maybe we should consider the possibility that we are due for a refactor People in tech need to stop with those analogies. A government is not a codebase. You can not apply the principles of "refactoring" and "patching" in the same way. It just doesn't work like that. But the problem is we have a bunch of people (some malicious, some clueless) trying to do exactly th…

yes you most definitely can apply these to government, what an insidious comment.

not only does it NEED to be done, people VOTED for it :)

Re: What's happening inside the NIH and NSF

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The big thing is this isn't really about any real monetary savings. What we get out of these budgets is a bargain: > The biggest single share of the NIH budget goes to the NCI ($7.8 billion in 2024), and the second-most to the NIAID ($6.5 billion) with the National Institute of Aging coming in third at $4.4 billion. (See the tables on numbered pages 11 and 46 of that link at the beginning of the paragraph for the det…

Social security and Medicare are inexpugnable liabilities.

Re: What's happening inside the NIH and NSF

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The cynic in me thinks that the US is going to roll over and take this fascist shake down. The optimist in me thinks that the people will rise up with a resounding NO and do something about it. Right now I'm not sure which I believe.

> The cynic in me thinks that the US is going to roll over and take this fascist shake down. The optimist in me thinks that the people will rise up with a resounding NO and do something about it. Right now I'm not sure which I believe. At this point, almost certainly the former. 1. Most Trump supporters do not think that there is a problem. 2. “Regular people” — that is, the folks who don’t track news — won’t notice…

I am moving all of my assets to cash. Maybe no one else cares, but I do, and I would rather invest in a functional democracy.

Never know, if enough people divest , people might give a shit.

But I'm not holding my breath.

Re: What's happening inside the NIH and NSF

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Good luck getting 500k+ grants in other countries. If you leave there won't be a shortage of postdocs looking for a new tenure track position.

Yeah that's kind of the thing. I think a lot of these guys and gals are fooling themselves with the whole, "find another country" thing. There is no other country that is A) doing research at these levels, B) Flush with cash, and C) needs you because they don't have a population that produces the necessary thinkers. That's basically only the US.

Is the USA flush with cash? Last I checked they were deep in debt and its getting worse

Re: What's happening inside the NIH and NSF

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The weird spanner in the works is that while people may be unhappy, they are unhappy because of things they believe that aren't true. Covid response in the US wasn't that bad; global warming really is causing the floods and fires and hurricanes and the EVs really are helping, as would methane emissions rules and so on; if people think the bi-coastal elites are looking down on them (and they are), like so what; that's…

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Frankly I’m done with entertaining the concerns about coastal elites looking down on the common clay. I’ve talked a lot with people with this position. They look down on other people just as much, if not more. They will talk a lot about respecting their opinions and beliefs and then completely write off huge swathes of Americans because they are “not real Americans.” I think they should remove the log from their eye before complaining about the speck in others.

Re: What's happening inside the NIH and NSF

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post #93

Part of me thinks this is just incompetence. People put in charge to "change" things without knowing what the thing is or does and just randomly mashing buttons.

I contend that there existed too much incompetence across what the government has been funding. I’m looking forward to a ‘change’ for more competence, efficiency, innovation, accountability, etc

I have no problem with that. I don't even disagree with government waste, we all see it. If what trump and musk did was:

- Audit spending (at USAID or wherever else)

- Come up with details of where there is waste, being transparent about it for the public to see and review

- Use that to recommend change to congress / the president, again in full public view

Then I'd have no issues. The problem is, what's actually happening is:

- Musk and team are in there with no accountability and no transparency. We don't know what he has access to, what was done

- Unilaterally making changes without public review or oversight. It's a "trust me bro" stance.

- From the few things that has been published, many seem to be outright lies (50m on condoms) or extremely biased conclusions (IRS direct filing)

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