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Over 90% of U.S. airport towers are understaffed, data shows

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Re: Over 90% of U.S. airport towers are understaffed, data shows

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Why are they not being trained for free after passing aptitude tests? It sounded like people still needed to pay for their college to even get to the ATC specific training.

I'm not sure I understand your comment. ATC is paid - they receive on-the-job training. College degrees specializing in ATC are not required.

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Seems like it can be at least mostly automated.

You’re probably right. I’m sure we can at least mostly automate way our judges too. /s Not every field needs automation.

with mandatory minimum sentencing, judges have in many cases already been automated

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Well, Covid is likely made In USA. https://usrtk.org/covid-19-origins/foi-litigation-on-origins... And RF really changes your DNA https://www.iarc.who.int/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/pr208_E....

The evidence of RF causing gene mutation is not conclusive.

I Agree. all in all it's not looking good.

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I would presume a lot of younger people are probably disqualified for ATC by current or past stimulant use. Whereas a field like tech almost requires stimulant use now. Maybe good peak pay, but no job security there anymore though.

past stimulant use? from what I can tell atc doesn't have any requirements on that side unless it was problematic to the point where you needed rehab

I don't know for sure, or what the official policy is. There are people that took stimulants as kids (due to parents getting them an ADHD diagnosis) but have stopped by their early 20s. And that is probably way more common now than when I was a kid in the 80s, when not even the obviously hyperactive kids appeared to be getting any meds.

Maybe if they apply for ATC they just don't disclose that, but I imagine if they do, it will be scrutinized.

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A couple years ago the transportation secretary tried to get funding to hire 2,000 more controllers. Congress said no https://thehill.com/regulation/transportation/4617992-buttig...

why is this even something that the gov needs to worry about directly? why don't they just force airports / airlines to have to pay for these guys like in UK, Canada, or Germany?

All 3 of those countries have separate organizations employing the air traffic controllers. DFS is 100% owned by the government, NATS is formerly a public service and now half privately owned, and Nav Canada was established by the ANS act.

The FAA has a $5.20 tax per flight segment per passenger and a 7.5% ticket tax. The budget set by congress limits how much the FAA can spend on air traffic control, and the surplus (there is a surplus) goes into the AATF: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airport_and_Airway_Trust_Fund

This is a direct cost of American austerity.

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FAA is leaderless, likely because he dared to give fine to Elin Musk. So yeah, it will affect things. Also, looking how twitter ia shell of itself and looking at Musk knowing even less about goverment ... it will fail spectacularly. And after that fail, they will blame women and non-whites hard.

I voted for Jill Stein, so don't mistake me here, but the head administrator resigned a full week prior to this memo (rather than wait a few weeks to presumably be replaced normally) and an acting administrator has been put in since the memo. How is it this is evidence the memo will affect things when the exact opposite order of operations has occurred around it? If one wants to complain about the perceived impacts t…

> How is it this is evidence the memo will affect things when the exact opposite order of operations has occurred around it?

The FAA workers received this memo the morning after the DC crash: I'm sure it wasn't great for morale.

The FAA administrator that got pushed out my Mush was one year into a five year term: I'm not sure why he had to go. (Though he was in charge when the FAA fined SpaceX $600k for safety violations: related?)

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While you conduct those studies the adults in the room will go get things done

I highly doubt adults use "instinct" as an accessory to the scientific method.

Not for the laboratory, but yes for running complex operations in the real world. E.g. logistics, war, agriculture

Re: Over 90% of U.S. airport towers are understaffed, data shows

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post #152

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Another (small) plane crashed in Philadelphia today. That's two in a couple days.

Yes, non-commercial planes crash far, FAR more often than commercial flights, at the tune of about 200-300 fatalities a year, you can play with the data a bit here: https://injuryfacts.nsc.org/home-and-community/safety-topics... The fact that the incident you talk about was reported at all was exceptional.

TIL, thank you.
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