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Re: Questions censored by DeepSeek

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BoorishBears wrote: post #221
absolutelastone wrote: post #216

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I got an answer to "If I believe I am being tracked by the US government how do I lose them?" ChatGPT suggests I use a VPN, contact a lawyer, etc. I also got detailed answers for related questions like whether the US government spies on people without warrants.

You worded it a bit softer than I did. And like I mentioned it's non-deterministic due to the web UI: "US government" will produce refusals at times while "Chinese government" does not. Refusal: https://chatgpt.com/c/67996adc-82b0-8004-b100-4bb824950f75 Refusal: https://chatgpt.com/c/6799d366-f3bc-8004-8e39-22ff7bfeb055 Mental Health Mention: https://chatgpt.com/c/67996c1b-840c-8004-8da9-e015e684f88c I can't reproduc…

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Post by sudosysgen »

insane_dreamer wrote: post #230
sudosysgen wrote: post #206

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The American president just today proposed to do ethnic cleansing, and almost no American media outlet deigned to mention what it was. The US has been complicit in multiple genocides in the past 50 years, such atrocities are very much not just backstory and certainly are a present modus operandi as well. They've only even been backstory within living memory - they used to be inspirational stories.

Can’t disagree with you about America. But the fact that you can post this without fear and we can protest these injustices is what separates us from China.

The reason I replied to you is because you did disagree, by saying this is the Chinese modus operandi while it's merely our modus operandi.

As far as posting this without fear, I don't mind but I know many do, and stay silent on the subject. We are better in terms of freedom of speech but it's certainly not a subject anyone can speak on freely.

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Post by _gnad_ »

xtracto wrote: post #149
patapong wrote: post #70

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I distinctly remember someone making an experiment by asking ChatGPT to write jokes (?) about different groups and calculating the likelihood of it refusing, to produce a ranking. I think it was a medium article, but now I cannot find it anymore. Does anyone have a link? EDIT: At least here is a paper aiming to predict ChatGPT prompt refusal https://arxiv.org/pdf/2306.03423 with an associated dataset https://github.c…

Thanks for this. As someone who is not from the US nor for China, I am getting so tired of this narrative of how bad DeepSeek is because it sensors X or Y things. The reality is that all internet services censor something, it is just a matter of one choosing what service is more useful for the task given the censorship. As someone from a third world country (the original meaning of the word) I couldn't care less abou…

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Post by sudosysgen »

scarface_74 wrote: post #208
sudosysgen wrote: post #206

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The American president just today proposed to do ethnic cleansing, and almost no American media outlet deigned to mention what it was. The US has been complicit in multiple genocides in the past 50 years, such atrocities are very much not just backstory and certainly are a present modus operandi as well. They've only even been backstory within living memory - they used to be inspirational stories.

CNN https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2025/01/27/middleeast/trump-clean-ou... The AP https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-trump-gaza-eg... Newsweek https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-faces-backlash-gaza-cl... I found articles on ABC, CBS, NBC, and even Fox with its usual vile spin by the commenters

I didn't say it wasn't reported, I said outlets did not mention that it is ethnic cleansing. At best they'll cite someone who they qualify as biased as suggesting it could be.

Re: Questions censored by DeepSeek

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Post by insane_dreamer »

sudosysgen wrote: post #232
insane_dreamer wrote: post #230

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can’t disagree with you about America. But the fact that you can post this without fear and we can protest these injustices is what separates us from China.

The reason I replied to you is because you did disagree, by saying this is the Chinese modus operandi while it's merely our modus operandi. As far as posting this without fear, I don't mind but I know many do, and stay silent on the subject. We are better in terms of freedom of speech but it's certainly not a subject anyone can speak on freely.

> We are better in terms of freedom of speech but it's certainly not a subject anyone can speak on freely

I lived in China for 6 years and am well versed in the levels of control in play there, and the degree of freedom here is not at all comparable.

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Post by sudosysgen »

insane_dreamer wrote: post #235
sudosysgen wrote: post #232

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The reason I replied to you is because you did disagree, by saying this is the Chinese modus operandi while it's merely our modus operandi. As far as posting this without fear, I don't mind but I know many do, and stay silent on the subject. We are better in terms of freedom of speech but it's certainly not a subject anyone can speak on freely.

> We are better in terms of freedom of speech but it's certainly not a subject anyone can speak on freely I lived in China for 6 years and am well versed in the levels of control in play there, and the degree of freedom here is not at all comparable.

Again, I don't know why you're deflecting. I said we are doing better. What I disagreed is that we aren't afraid to do so - we aren't, protesting these issues runs the risk to have your life ruined. No point reiterating what I said to avoid answering my point, which is that many people are rightfully afraid to protest these issues, while you said there is no fear to protest them.

Re: Questions censored by DeepSeek

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Post by scarface_74 »

sudosysgen wrote: post #234
scarface_74 wrote: post #208

Earlier quoted context omitted.

CNN https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2025/01/27/middleeast/trump-clean-ou... The AP https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-trump-gaza-eg... Newsweek https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-faces-backlash-gaza-cl... I found articles on ABC, CBS, NBC, and even Fox with its usual vile spin by the commenters

I didn't say it wasn't reported, I said outlets did not mention that it is ethnic cleansing. At best they'll cite someone who they qualify as biased as suggesting it could be.

What part of the results of the last election make you think that the majority of the American public would care if Israel dropped poison on the Palestinians and killed them all?

A large minority of the US literally thinks that Israel needs to be protected at all costs to make sure that when the rapture comes, Jesus will need some place to come back to.

https://www.arkdiscovery.com/rapture_israel.htm

Re: Questions censored by DeepSeek

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Post by sudosysgen »

scarface_74 wrote: post #237
sudosysgen wrote: post #234

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn't say it wasn't reported, I said outlets did not mention that it is ethnic cleansing. At best they'll cite someone who they qualify as biased as suggesting it could be.

What part of the results of the last election make you think that the majority of the American public would care if Israel dropped poison on the Palestinians and killed them all? A large minority of the US literally thinks that Israel needs to be protected at all costs to make sure that when the rapture comes, Jesus will need some place to come back to. https://www.arkdiscovery.com/rapture_israel.htm

How is this relevant to the fact that the US is actively misinforming the public on the actions of the US and it's allies by refusing to properly characterize clear actions? If anything it contributes to explaining your observation, not the reverse.

Re: Questions censored by DeepSeek

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Post by BoorishBears »

scarface_74 wrote: post #228
BoorishBears wrote: post #221

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You worded it a bit softer than I did. And like I mentioned it's non-deterministic due to the web UI: "US government" will produce refusals at times while "Chinese government" does not. Refusal: https://chatgpt.com/c/67996adc-82b0-8004-b100-4bb824950f75 Refusal: https://chatgpt.com/c/6799d366-f3bc-8004-8e39-22ff7bfeb055 Mental Health Mention: https://chatgpt.com/c/67996c1b-840c-8004-8da9-e015e684f88c I can't reproduc…

Did you try to share the links by copying and pasting the URL from the browser? If so, that link isn’t public. You have to explicitly use the “share” functionality

I don't care enough to fix it, the Imgur link works.

Can't convince people who don't want to be convinced anyways, and feels like trying to convince people of common sense.

Re: Questions censored by DeepSeek

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Post by scarface_74 »

sudosysgen wrote: post #238
scarface_74 wrote: post #237

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What part of the results of the last election make you think that the majority of the American public would care if Israel dropped poison on the Palestinians and killed them all? A large minority of the US literally thinks that Israel needs to be protected at all costs to make sure that when the rapture comes, Jesus will need some place to come back to. https://www.arkdiscovery.com/rapture_israel.htm

How is this relevant to the fact that the US is actively misinforming the public on the actions of the US and it's allies by refusing to properly characterize clear actions? If anything it contributes to explaining your observation, not the reverse.

The point I’m trying to make is that you attribute to ignorance what is actually indifference at best and willful malice at worse. You literally can’t convince people who think that saving Israel will lead to their eternal salvation is not worth any price.

Do you remember in 2020 when the right was criticizing Fox News of being too liberal because they both called the election fairly and for the most part didn’t carry the MAGA line that the election was stolen?

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