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Re: Kansas tuberculosis outbreak is America's largest recorded since the 1950s

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Post by jmye »

School-Cotton wrote: post #152
brewdad wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A distinction without a difference at this point.

Why? Not voting is perfectly rational if you, like most Americans, live in a state where your vote doesn’t matter.

… Do you think President is the only thing on the ballot? Do you think that maybe, if everyone voted, the demographics might be different?

I’m so tired of this nonsense. If y’all bothered showing up for state and local races, you could even change elections in your state. But that would like, take effort, so I get why you’d rather shitpost about how worthless it all is.

Re: Kansas tuberculosis outbreak is America's largest recorded since the 1950s

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Post by dr_kiszonka »

Dalewyn wrote: post #210
lynndotpy wrote: post #71

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>I think it's fair to say a lot of Trump's apologists and defenders really did not understand the ramifications of his first presidency, and are not in a position to clearly anticipate the ramifications of his second presidency. Speaking as one Trump voter among many others, I knew exactly what he accomplished in his first term and what a hypothetical second term could look like. I also understood what his campaign p…

Is there anything Trump is doing that you do not approve of or would prefer was done in a different fashion? (Just curious, not trying to argue.)

Re: Kansas tuberculosis outbreak is America's largest recorded since the 1950s

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Post by wahern »

GeekyBear wrote: post #181
llamaimperative wrote: post #4

This is the type of thing that'd normally show up on CDC's Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report which has been published weekly since 1960 (my understanding is this is without fail). But unfortunately the current administration has decided an ideological purification is more important than keeping the American public apprised of threats to their health. So it wasn't published last week, and probably won't be this we…

> This is the type of thing that'd normally show up on CDC's Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report The resurgence of TB has been the big story in infectious diseases for a while now. Globally: > The World Health Organization (WHO) today published a new report on tuberculosis revealing that approximately 8.2 million people were newly diagnosed with TB in 2023 – the highest number recorded since WHO began global TB mon…

> The resurgence of TB has been the big story in infectious diseases for a while now.

It's been a big story since the 1980s, IIRC. I remember in college in the 1990s a biologist friend explaining that TB was the greatest disease threat to public health and it was being completely ignored.

Frankly, it's hard to get worked up about it. Notwithstanding that it is a serious public health threat, there's a strong political rhetoric aspect to the discussion, both in the popular and professional spheres. It's unfortunate. In the 1980s and 1990s it was all about how Reagan decimated our public health infrastructure. The arguments aren't per se wrong, but it's difficult to gauge relevance and prioritization about the threat of TB given how part of the medical and scientific community seem to have been border-line crying wolf for 40 years. Discussion centers around absolute numbers. Tell me what the per capita relationship looks like, especially per capita among the populations most vulnerable to acquisition and disease, and what the long-term trends look like. I see this in a lot of other adjacent public health discussions tainted by political hand wringing, such as food insecurity, etc--lots of absolute numbers. But global populations are growing. The US, for example, grew by 80 million people, or 30%, between 1990 and 2020. That's not to deny that tuberculosis is a growing problem, but we have many problems. And the constant drum beat of alarm causes some parts of the community to (increasingly) react in counterproductive ways. From an individual moral standpoint, that's on them, but from an epidemiological and sociological perspective, maybe the professionals bear a little blame, too, at least in terms of communication. We could all do better.

Re: Kansas tuberculosis outbreak is America's largest recorded since the 1950s

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Post by kevin_thibedeau »

weaksauce wrote: post #133
giantg2 wrote: post #111

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Wouldn't this have showed up in the reports last year when the numbers were actively happening? There's been 1 case this year it says. If the ideology was what you're saying, then wouldn't they want to spread the info and blame it on the "dirty illegals" or whatever?

> then wouldn't they want to spread the info and blame it on the "dirty illegals" or whatever? pretty sure the ideology is to remove every social safety net and service to "prove" government doesn't work and then the robber barons can swoop in and make it a paid service... and make it so the capital class gets to make and save more money as they can afford to buy any of those services that were cut. it's basically vu…

> it's not great.

Supply side Jesus is just alright.

Re: Kansas tuberculosis outbreak is America's largest recorded since the 1950s

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Post by Dalewyn »

dr_kiszonka wrote: post #232
Dalewyn wrote: post #210

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I think it's fair to say a lot of Trump's apologists and defenders really did not understand the ramifications of his first presidency, and are not in a position to clearly anticipate the ramifications of his second presidency. Speaking as one Trump voter among many others, I knew exactly what he accomplished in his first term and what a hypothetical second term could look like. I also understood what his campaign p…

Is there anything Trump is doing that you do not approve of or would prefer was done in a different fashion? (Just curious, not trying to argue.)

I disagree in part with Trump's idea of Palestinians moving out of Gaza to Egypt and Jordan, not the least because it's violence incarnate. It's akin to the Trail of Tears[1] which was one of the most shameful bits of our history.

Now, why do I say in part? Because I am also appreciative of the sad reality that peace in the Holy Land simply is not possible with more than one sovereign state in it. It simply isn't, there are so many peoples who would kill and die over that piece of land that any multi-state arrangement is practically impossible. I don't care if it ends up being Israel or Palestine or some other country or entity ultimately in charge of the Holy Land, but it's inevitably going to be one and the path to get there will not be pretty.

I also find Trump's executive order on delaying the banning of TikTok legally (IANAL) dubious. His reasoning is that his administration hasn't had enough time to understand it and thus sufficiently execute the law as written, but the law doesn't provide for such an out. The courts can have their say if it comes to that.

As a Japanese(-American), Trump's seemingly apathetic position on Japan is somewhat concerning. However, the Japanese government also has its share of blame to take. Consolation is that Trump has been very cordial with the wife of the late Shinzo Abe and also Softbank CEO Masayoshi Son, which means he at least has some level of care for Japan, and it's not like US-Japan relations would go completely sour anyway.

By and large though, I am satisfied and happy with what Trump has done and accomplished so far. I voted for this and I still stand by my vote. Let's Make America Great Again, any friends and allies who want to tag along are very welcome.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trail_of_Tears

Re: Kansas tuberculosis outbreak is America's largest recorded since the 1950s

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Post by behringer »

khazhoux wrote: post #223
behringer wrote: post #204

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They absolutely count. The fact that you don't think so, says more about you than about them.

How can someone who couldn't be bothered to vote possibly count in a discussion of how many people support this administration? Putting aside people who were unable to vote, everyone who chose not to, absolutely 100% gave up their relevance in terms of what the people want. They took themselves out of the equation.

It doesn't matter if they did or not. If they supported Trump they would have voted. Ergo the majority of people don't support him. Non voters are still people, last I checked.

Re: Kansas tuberculosis outbreak is America's largest recorded since the 1950s

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Post by kevin_thibedeau »

blackeyeblitzar wrote: post #205
hedora wrote: post #81

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Cutting resources often is the root cause for an outbreak. - SARSv2 (aka Covid-19) happened after Trump disbanded the team that contained SARSv1. - During COVID, the west suspended polio vaccination programs in developing regions, so now polio outbreaks are a thing again. - Antivaxxers in NYC caused a massive measles outbreak a few years ago. Etc, etc.

The team that contained SARSv1? No one contained it successfully. In fact, there were many lab leaks of it. The outbreak itself was stopped by basic measures like masks and screening. But it also was far less infectious than SARSv2. Blaming Trump for COVID-19 makes no sense for other reasons too. There are so many other people to blame first. Fauci for funding GoF research at WIV through EHA. The CCP for being secret…

You left out how conservative media was adamant that it was a politically motivated hoax and ensured their faithful were kept in the dark about the looming threat.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifKbwDf51bA

Re: Kansas tuberculosis outbreak is America's largest recorded since the 1950s

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Post by lazyasciiart »

wahern wrote: post #233
GeekyBear wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This is the type of thing that'd normally show up on CDC's Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report The resurgence of TB has been the big story in infectious diseases for a while now. Globally: > The World Health Organization (WHO) today published a new report on tuberculosis revealing that approximately 8.2 million people were newly diagnosed with TB in 2023 – the highest number recorded since WHO began global TB mon…

> The resurgence of TB has been the big story in infectious diseases for a while now. It's been a big story since the 1980s, IIRC. I remember in college in the 1990s a biologist friend explaining that TB was the greatest disease threat to public health and it was being completely ignored. Frankly, it's hard to get worked up about it. Notwithstanding that it is a serious public health threat, there's a strong politica…

Rubbish, on all counts. Public health discussion constantly gives rates and percentages, not just numbers. And “they’ve been warning us so many times” - well, I hope you’ve also given up on applying security updates to any software or hardware you manage, since those have been getting issued forever, they must be crying wolf too.

Re: Kansas tuberculosis outbreak is America's largest recorded since the 1950s

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Post by Waterluvian »

Trasmatta wrote: post #82
Waterluvian wrote: post #66

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I wonder if we’d do better in discourse to stop pointing at an “administration.” It is a reflection of what a plurality, often majority, of people want.

Democracy doesn't mean "accept what the current administration does with no criticism, because they were democratically elected"

Oh, no that’s not my point. It’s that the administration is often used as a proxy when people should be angry at the diseased state of the population.
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