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YC Graveyard: 821 inactive Y Combinator startups

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Re: YC Graveyard: 821 inactive Y Combinator startups

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Worse than becoming lifestyle company is becoming a zombie startup. Zombie is when founders get rid of almost everyone except what they need to give the impression of effort, do little work, but draw an income and slowly spend down the money they raised until it’s gone. I was one of the very few survivors at a startup that turned into a zombie in 2020 (went from 100+ employees to 10 in a matter of weeks). In some way…

I question your read on what happens here. At most startups the investors control the board (there are a few where a charismatic founder manages to retain control, but that's rare). If the board thought the founder was just transferring the remaining investment to himself slowly they'd fire him and replace him with someone to wind operations down.

Like most zombie startups, reason board doesn’t do anything is the amount of money is negligible to them. Even if it isn’t to you or me.

Plus the possibility they do hit it big is always there. It’s not like they aren’t putting in any effort and collecting a salary. They just aren’t grinding.

Then there are the personal relationships.

Re: YC Graveyard: 821 inactive Y Combinator startups

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None of that existed when they first started. The pitch was to rent out your house while you're out of town.

But they only got big when the commercial "hotels" came on and saw they could "work around" laws like that.

Yes... later. They couldn't have predicted it when they started. It sounded like a stupid idea when they started.

Re: YC Graveyard: 821 inactive Y Combinator startups

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I think a lot of gen z founders see nothing wrong with paying themselves a FAANG salary. My generation, not so much (I’m 45).

Easy to say that at 45, you can afford to do so, college education costs have increased in multiples since your generation graduated. Younger founders today have to factor in rents in bay area, cost of health-care and insurance and crippling student debt and after taxes that 200k is not make it rich quick numbers, even my generation (36) find it hard to be founders. The LP has 20 startups they can afford it, we on th…

My previous startup wiped my net worth, and I still wouldn’t be comfortable paying myself more than 50k/year at any age as a pre-series A founder.

Re: YC Graveyard: 821 inactive Y Combinator startups

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“Better to have launched and lost than never to have launched at all” Spoken like someone that uses other people‘s money. I think the statement would be different if it was their own money being lost for the startup or interest rates weren’t 0%.

Yeah, that's the point. Frankly, why do you care so much about rich people (who know full well the risks, and generally come out ahead regardless) losing their investment in one of their many portfolio startups? There are so many mechanisms to ensure that investors are made whole whenever possible.

Re: YC Graveyard: 821 inactive Y Combinator startups

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Welcome to capitalism. Of course there is an asymmetry between individual founders and one of the, if not the most famous VC firm on the planet. It's an individual decision to determine whether YC is worthwhile. If it wouldn't be, it wouldn't work.

Silicon Valley is not capitalism, it's financier-ism. It isn't about finding a gap in the market and providing a profitable service, but bandwagoning behind the latest trends so as to chase "scalability" and later using financial/political muscle to weaken regulations so as to better "disrupt" the market. Profits? That's a problem for whoever they manage to dump their shares on.

That's capitalism.

Re: YC Graveyard: 821 inactive Y Combinator startups

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I think the parent's point is that $200K would be the base in FANG, but you're missing on massive RSUs as the founder in a startup.

Yes, I got that. What I'm pointing out is that your upside isn't capped compared to a place like Amazon where your bonus will get cut if the RSUs do too well and you have some degree of control over any compensation shenanigans and layoffs. It's not unequivocally better, but it's certainly a trade-off that some people would be willing to make.

I had no idea this could happen. How is the bonus capped if RSUs do too well?

Re: YC Graveyard: 821 inactive Y Combinator startups

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I'm onehundertpercent pissed off with YC: * The modal win for a founder is $0.00 * PG makes big talk about winner's average returns... Yayyyyy..... However YC gets preferential shares; YC is not aligned with the common shareholders (founders; builders). YC builds a story that they support creators however YC doesn't sit on the same table-side as creators. * I actually believe YC is worthwhile, but I wonder if Ize jus…

> However YC gets preferential shares; YC is not aligned with the common shareholders (founders; builders). YC invests on a SAFE, the terms are public.[0] For most companies, pre-seed SAFEs don't end up much above common. [0] https://www.ycombinator.com/deal

> For most companies, pre-seed SAFEs don't end up much above common.

I'm not sure that is correct.

AFAIK the modern YCombinator post-money SAFE [1] converts to the exact same share class as the VC investment round. The bookface document[2] says "when the company decides to sell shares of preferred stock in a priced round (an 'Equity Financing'), the outstanding safes will convert into shares of preferred stock" and also says elsewhere "then the safe holder will receive shares of Standard Preferred Stock".

I know nothing - so could be completely wrong!!! Complicated stuff LOL

[1] https://www.ycombinator.com/documents/

[2] https://bookface-static.ycombinator.com/assets/ycdc/Website%...

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