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The app was shutdown a couple of hours ago in the US and this was the message all TikTok users saw when they opened the app.[1]

The same guy who pushed for a ban massively last year, is going to save the app despite the security concerns he and most of our government said they had. If only we knew what happened in that classified briefing that made them vote together across party lines.

[1] https://a57.foxnews.com/static.foxbusiness.com/foxbusiness.c...

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I have a teenager who regularly requests his TikTok screen time allowance to be reduced. He wants to not know the passcode even though he is well old enough to know it if he wants. What this temporary outage might do is have the opposite effect TikTok expects - to show people they need a break from such an addictive app. Stranger things have happened on the internet. The longer before Trump "cuts a deal" the more I e…

What are we? a Communism 3rd world country?

Open to open countries. Closed to closed ones. Reciprocity is not hypocrisy.

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What's to stop TikTok from serving their website from non-US servers to all comers? Using it in a browser is not as smooth as an app, but there must be apps out there that are nothing but a WebView to URLs on a single domain (like you can do in Mac Safari with File... Add to Dock...). Submitting / watching videos wouldn't be that different. It seems to me the only recourse the US would have is building The Great Fire…

You can't track user as well in browser, tiktok has no interest at all doing that. They make money by spying on their user, making profile and selling ads.

Re: TikTok goes dark in the US

#234

What's to stop TikTok from serving their website from non-US servers to all comers? Using it in a browser is not as smooth as an app, but there must be apps out there that are nothing but a WebView to URLs on a single domain (like you can do in Mac Safari with File... Add to Dock...). Submitting / watching videos wouldn't be that different. It seems to me the only recourse the US would have is building The Great Fire…

As far as I understand it, they wouldn't be able to advertise with US companies in the US so it's a lot of cost for no benefit. Unless they're hosting all that bandwidth for an altruistic reason..

> it's a lot of cost for no benefit

The argument for TikTok ban is that it's a Chinese propaganda machine.

I don't know whether it is true. But assuming it is, propaganda usually costs money.

Re: TikTok goes dark in the US

#235

It's a shame that it's come to this. I feel that all arguments that TikTok is unhealthy or spyware and bad for our general public are valid, but the same arguments also apply to Instagram/Twitter/Whatever. Rather than have some sort of further regulation for what data any application can collect and present to Americans, we've just brought the hammer down on the millions of people that use this application for their…

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Do we ban propaganda in the US now? Or do we educate people out of believing it?

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post #148

It's a shame that it's come to this. I feel that all arguments that TikTok is unhealthy or spyware and bad for our general public are valid, but the same arguments also apply to Instagram/Twitter/Whatever. Rather than have some sort of further regulation for what data any application can collect and present to Americans, we've just brought the hammer down on the millions of people that use this application for their…

None of those arguments are the salient one, which is that a geopolitical adversary has control over a major influence vector on US public opinion. They could simply have divested.

Yeah. If you don't stop it here, where does it end? Next thing you know, you'll have a guy doing millions of dollars of business with proxies for the Russian government in the White House.

Re: TikTok goes dark in the US

#237

It's a shame that it's come to this. I feel that all arguments that TikTok is unhealthy or spyware and bad for our general public are valid, but the same arguments also apply to Instagram/Twitter/Whatever. Rather than have some sort of further regulation for what data any application can collect and present to Americans, we've just brought the hammer down on the millions of people that use this application for their…

TikTok lied under oath about what they do with user data. Also the requirements they have for their managers and executives amount to them operating as an unregistered foreign agent, since staff are literally required to uphold China’s national interests:

https://dailycaller.com/2025/01/14/tiktok-forced-staff-oaths...

You combine that with the lack of reciprocal access for American and European social media apps to the Chinese market, the mental health issues TikTok causes, the lack of safeguards in TikTok that inexplicably Douyin has (China’s TikTok from the same parent company), and on and on - banning isn’t just justified but the only sane thing for all countries that aren’t China to do.

Re: TikTok goes dark in the US

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post #148

It's a shame that it's come to this. I feel that all arguments that TikTok is unhealthy or spyware and bad for our general public are valid, but the same arguments also apply to Instagram/Twitter/Whatever. Rather than have some sort of further regulation for what data any application can collect and present to Americans, we've just brought the hammer down on the millions of people that use this application for their…

None of those arguments are the salient one, which is that a geopolitical adversary has control over a major influence vector on US public opinion. They could simply have divested.

I see this thought posted frequently. It makes no sense to me... what power could China exert here that wouldn't also be a bad power for anyone to exert? Surely, if they started exerting power on their platform in ways people didn't like, people would leave, right? And also, what's the path to pressure bytedance by the ccp?

It all just smacks of protectionism and isolationism to me.

Re: TikTok goes dark in the US

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US is the same country that allows a practical monopoly of NVIDIA on GPUs and Intel on CPU (or at least an oligopoly), and then pretend "foreigners are out to get us". It gets one to know one.

Dominant market leaders aren't inherently bad for the world. That's why anti-trust laws are narrow. Only when they are so ingrained and conspire to be anti-competitive (usually via lobbying gov policy to create barriers to entry) that they harm the ability for competition to replace them. NVIDIA constantly and perpetually have companies at their throats looking to take their market, which means they better deliver to customers.

Re: TikTok goes dark in the US

#240

It's a shame that it's come to this. I feel that all arguments that TikTok is unhealthy or spyware and bad for our general public are valid, but the same arguments also apply to Instagram/Twitter/Whatever. Rather than have some sort of further regulation for what data any application can collect and present to Americans, we've just brought the hammer down on the millions of people that use this application for their…

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