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Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by ARandomerDude »

g19205 wrote: post #196
threeseed wrote: post #160

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> ostensibly pressures Netanyahu into accepting the ceasefire There is no evidence of this. Every single time Trump has blustered about doing something e.g. turning Canada into a 51st, buying Greenland the parties have been concerned but not particularly worried. Because he doesn't follow through. So the idea that we should credit Trump for his words and ignore the months of diplomacy and pressure from not just the U…

https://www.timesofisrael.com/arab-official-trump-envoy-sway...

Something positive about Trump? Must be "Russian disinformation" or whatever we're saying these days...

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by Sabinus »

Thiez wrote: post #158
LeafItAlone wrote: post #136

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> Polls showing people now recognizing Israel are the bad guys and Hamas are the guys Was the second “guys” supposed to have an adjective attached to it?

Why? I think most of us can recognize they're not necessarily good by our standards, so they're not the good guys. But they are the ones resisting a genocidal apartheid colonialist state, so they're at least better than the Israelis. So if we call Israel the bad guys, that leaves Hamas as... the guys.

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Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by Khaine »

vFunct wrote: post #112
xg15 wrote: post #21

Everything else aside, this is an absolutely fantastic development and I really hope the ceasefire holds and all hostages are released. I just fear this will cause western media and politicians to and declare the crisis to be over (after it had began on Oct. 7, of course absolutely out of the blue and without any context...) and go back to pretending everything is back to normal. Never mind that Gaza is still in ruin…

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> people now recognizing Israel are the bad guys and Hamas are the good guys

Hamas kidnapped and tortured innocent civilians, and has help them in captivity for `~18 months, and you think they are the good guys? There are no good guys.

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by 7402 »

neoromantique wrote: post #187
bluSCALE4 wrote: post #125

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I don't know why this is downvoted. Do people not realize Gaza was razed to the ground?

If Israeli goals really were to displace Palestinians, maybe they'd start within Israel proper first?

A subtle comment, which may be misunderstood.

The point is that they are NOT starting with Israel proper first, where Arabs are and have been citizens for a long time. Palestinians have been elected to the Israeli parliament, and there is an Arab Justice on the Israeli Supreme Court.

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by klipt »

vFunct wrote: post #138
gruez wrote: post #133

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>due to literal IDF agents running newsrooms across the country source? >Polls showing people now recognizing Israel are the bad guys and Hamas are the guys Are you missing a word here? Or is this intentional?

The NYTimes widely referenced but debunked story “Screams without words” about alleged rapes on October 7 was co-authored by a literal IDF intelligence agent. Also the Atlantic Editor-in-Chief is IDF. More importantly, why are there so few Muslim newsroom editors and reporters jn the US media vs Jewish editors and reporters? Polls immediately after Oct 7 showed college students support Hamas more than Israel, and tha…

A UN envoy says there are ‘reasonable grounds’ to believe Hamas committed sexual violence on Oct. 7

https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-un-rape-oct7-...

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by bko »

Workaccount2 wrote: post #39

So I suppose it's just back to the status quo? What has really changed that will make a difference in 2-3 years from now? Israel has sowed a whole fresh generation of "I will sacrifice everything to wipe Israel" Palestinian youth.

Honest question, but why haven't there been "I will sacrifice everything to wipe [country]" generations sowing havoc on neighbors after Dresden, Nagasaki, Nanjing or others?

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Post by nerdjon »

UltraSane wrote: post #212
firen777 wrote: post #207

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As much as I want to solely blame sexism and racism (which without a doubt was a major contributor).

We did also have a serious problem of people just not going to vote that were abstaining due to various (many citing Gaza) reasons that would not have fallen into the racist or sexist category.

I have many friends (honestly hesitant to use that word at the moment... I am frustrated with them) that did not vote (and would generally consider themselves liberal) and yet continue to complain. The turnout was legitimately bad.

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Post by shmerl »

sudosysgen wrote: post #155
shmerl wrote: post #147

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Iran invested all its resources into proxies waging wars for it. Them being smashed means Iran is ruined on all those war investments. With economy in shambles and expansionist war failed, it's hardly "least damaged".

This is untrue on multiple levels. Iran invested most of its resources on its own military - the proxies are extremely cheap - and Iran's most powerful Iraqi proxies are fine, while the Houthis actually came out of this stronger.

They aren't cheap, at that scale they required huge expenses. And the more they wanted to expand, they more expenses it meant. They overstretched in hopes of that paying off, and it all went crashing down.

The only upside for them now is that those expenses suddenly became unnecessary, but it's not going to stop them from trying to do it all over again.

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by smashah »

vFunct wrote: post #112
xg15 wrote: post #21

Everything else aside, this is an absolutely fantastic development and I really hope the ceasefire holds and all hostages are released. I just fear this will cause western media and politicians to and declare the crisis to be over (after it had began on Oct. 7, of course absolutely out of the blue and without any context...) and go back to pretending everything is back to normal. Never mind that Gaza is still in ruin…

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This is what happens when there is an unchecked Affirmative Action program for zionists in many industries like tech and Media.

Microsoft employees get fired for calling for a ceasefire meanwhile their Israeli counterparts get to gloat about continued slaughter of children with a mere investigation, in Apple, they provide extra support for employees doing time for the IDF while Palestinian employees get fired and Muslim support slack channels get shut down.

Unfortunately, the Contrarian Club in the tech industry is yet to reckon with the pernicious AA program for zionists meanwhile bleating about the joke of meritocracy and crying about H1Bs.

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