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In the belly of the MrBeast

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Re: In the belly of the MrBeast

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Post by pixl97 »

worldsayshi wrote: post #184
oulipo wrote: post #166

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Exactly, intensification or acceleration, this is exactly the root of most issues. Since we've mastered energy (and in particular oil&gas), the world has been on an acceleration binge, which is now causing a lot of friction and overheating in the relationships and environment. We need to slow down and to connect back to nature

Slowing down is not a solution since we're heading for a wall in some dimensions and a cliff edge on others. We need to find ways to drastically change course. We need to build maps and steering wheels.

And we need to convince everyone to do it, or we just end up in the Red Queen scenario.

Re: In the belly of the MrBeast

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Post by ahmeneeroe-v2 »

llamaimperative wrote: post #227
ahmeneeroe-v2 wrote: post #224

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>There are actual [people that I label with bad labels] just one or two hops away from the President! My latest understanding of the US political landscape is that 2008-2024 the left got very adept at defining things as bad and then attacking those things. In 2016 the right started to learn to counter that, and in 2024 that finally died. In other words, you'll need to try harder than just calling people nazis. You're…

Theocracy is bad and neo-Nazism is bad. Trump had dinner with Nick Fuentes, who 1) is an open anti-semite, 2) praises Adolf Hitler, and 3) calls for white ethnonationalism. I don't need to write a treatise to explain why this is bad.

You don't need to write the treatise because the era of that kind of "logic" winning elections is over. (ie the left being able to label whole political movements as bad because certain bad people associate themselves with it)

Re: In the belly of the MrBeast

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Post by flir »

llamaimperative wrote: post #100
RajT88 wrote: post #77

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Left leaning folks are swept up in rage machines too. Leaf through the BoingBoing BBS sometime to get a sense for it.

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BoingBoing is still very much made in Doctorow's image. Michael Moore is an earlier example.

Not suggesting equivalence, in fact I would be really interested to hear theories as to why right-wing polemicists are so much more popular (and numerous) than left-wing polemicists. On the face of it, there are a lot of left-wing things to be justifiably outraged about (especially right now). So why isn't left-wing outrage reliably bankable?

I don't think it's a pattern tied to the zeitgeist, because you see it in talk radio too, which predates social media's Skinner box algorithms by decades.

Side-question: why are there more left-wing political comedians than right-wing ones?

Re: In the belly of the MrBeast

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Post by dragonwriter »

ahmeneeroe-v2 wrote: post #224
llamaimperative wrote: post #100

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>There are actual [people that I label with bad labels] just one or two hops away from the President! My latest understanding of the US political landscape is that 2008-2024 the left got very adept at defining things as bad and then attacking those things. In 2016 the right started to learn to counter that, and in 2024 that finally died. In other words, you'll need to try harder than just calling people nazis. You're…

> My latest understanding of the US political landscape is that 2008-2024 the left got very adept at defining things as bad and then attacking those things. In 2016 the right started to learn to counter that, and in 2024 that finally died.

Every piece of this understanding is wrong. For one thing, the far Right in American has been better and more effective at that than any part of the Democratic coalition, since at least the 1980s.

Re: In the belly of the MrBeast

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Post by llamaimperative »

ahmeneeroe-v2 wrote: post #226
llamaimperative wrote: post #209

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Yeah, it really is obvious. Here's one excellent example: the dominant right wing media apparatus knowingly engaging in a conspiratorial lie that fetched them a $787 million punishment. https://apnews.com/article/fox-news-dominion-lawsuit-trial-t...

Here is an excellent example that many people think you're wrong: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_United_States_elections

You must've forgotten what the conversation is about. It's about the degree to which each side is wrapped up in an outrage machine.

That would be reflected in the election results, and not in the way you're implying.

Re: In the belly of the MrBeast

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Post by llamaimperative »

flir wrote: post #233
llamaimperative wrote: post #100

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BoingBoing is still very much made in Doctorow's image. Michael Moore is an earlier example. Not suggesting equivalence, in fact I would be really interested to hear theories as to why right-wing polemicists are so much more popular (and numerous) than left-wing polemicists. On the face of it, there are a lot of left-wing things to be justifiably outraged about (especially right now). So why isn't left-wing outrage r…

See these are interesting questions. I don't have great answers.

IQ gap between the sides?

Re: In the belly of the MrBeast

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Post by ahmeneeroe-v2 »

llamaimperative wrote: post #235
ahmeneeroe-v2 wrote: post #226

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Here is an excellent example that many people think you're wrong: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_United_States_elections

You must've forgotten what the conversation is about. It's about the degree to which each side is wrapped up in an outrage machine. That would be reflected in the election results, and not in the way you're implying.

when my side wins it's good and true and when the other side wins it's the outrage machine

Re: In the belly of the MrBeast

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Post by llamaimperative »

ahmeneeroe-v2 wrote: post #230
llamaimperative wrote: post #189

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No, not really. Harris vs Trump voters who... Approve: 5-11% vs 2-8% Neither approve nor disapprove: 6-12% vs 7-13% Disapprove: 65-71% vs 72-78% Not sure: 6-12% vs 4-10% Not a super substantial difference. The outrage machine wins again! Source: https://d3nkl3psvxxpe9.cloudfront.net/documents/Reactions_to...

so the data shows that the left's approval of the murder is 37% higher on the low end up to a max of 5x higher (depending on how the confidence intervals map to reality). And that that the left is anywhere from 20% to 3x more likely to be undecided about the morality of an assassination.

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Re: In the belly of the MrBeast

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Post by kube-system »

jasonmarks_ wrote: post #169
kube-system wrote: post #149

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His viewers skew younger. Kids have a lot of time on their hands. Given how ubiquitously well-known he is among younger people, I doubt there's much fraud necessary.

I agree the kids will take it at face value all the more reason to not tolerate massive deception. What if his teaching them fraudulent representation pays. All pro athletes cheat a little bit at the highest levels but exceptional cheating is never tolerated.

I don't understand what you're saying. Kids don't watch the channel because it has a high number of views. And what "massive deception" are you referring to?

Re: In the belly of the MrBeast

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Post by llamaimperative »

ahmeneeroe-v2 wrote: post #237
llamaimperative wrote: post #235

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You must've forgotten what the conversation is about. It's about the degree to which each side is wrapped up in an outrage machine. That would be reflected in the election results, and not in the way you're implying.

when my side wins it's good and true and when the other side wins it's the outrage machine

That's not my belief, which is why I didn't post the terrible evidence of election results. You did.

I posted a court settlement for the crime of knowingly producing untrue, defamatory outrage at massive scale.

Note how mine is evidence for my argument. Yours is evidence for nothing at all.

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