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Nvidia announces next-gen RTX 5090 and RTX 5080 GPUs

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Re: Nvidia announces next-gen RTX 5090 and RTX 5080 GPUs

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Post by doix »

sigmoid10 wrote: post #218
doix wrote: post #209

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nvidia (and AMD) make the "core", but they don't make a "full" graphics card. Or at least they don't mass produce them, I think Nvidia tried it with their "founders edition". It's just not their main business model, it's been that way for many many years at this point. I'm guessing business people have decided that it's not worth it. Saying that they are "resellers" isn't technically accurate. The 5080 you buy from A…

Nvidia also doesn't make the "core" (i.e. the actual chip). TSMC and Samsung make those. Nvidia designs the chip and (usually) creates a reference PCB to show how to make an actual working GPU using that chip you got from e.g. TSMC. Sometimes (especially in more recent years) they also sell that design as "founders" edition. But they don't sell most of their hardware directly to average consumers. Of course they also…

Yeah I should have said design, embarrassingly I used to work in a (fabless) semiconductor company.

Totally agree with the software part. AMD usually designs something in the same ball park as Nvidia, and usually has a better price:performance ratio at many price points. But the software is just too far behind.

Re: Nvidia announces next-gen RTX 5090 and RTX 5080 GPUs

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Post by bavell »

philjohn wrote: post #149
diggan wrote: post #137

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> modern games + modern cards can't even do 4k at high fps What "modern games" and "modern cards" are you specifically talking about here? There are plenty of AAA games released last years that you can do 4K at 60fps with a RTX 3090 for example.

This - latest Call of Duty game on my (albeit water cooled) 3080TI founders edition saw frame rates in the 90-100fps running natively at 4k (no DLSS).

Can't CoD do 60+ fps @1080p on a potato nowadays?... not exactly a good reference point.

Re: Nvidia announces next-gen RTX 5090 and RTX 5080 GPUs

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Post by _boffin_ »

ryao wrote: post #75

The most interesting news is that the 5090 Founders' Edition is a 2-slot card according to Nvidia's website: https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/graphics-cards/50-serie... When was the last time Nvidia made a high end GeForce card use only 2 slots?

Donno why I feel this, but probably going to end up being 2.5 slots

Re: Nvidia announces next-gen RTX 5090 and RTX 5080 GPUs

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Post by nightski »

sigmoid10 wrote: post #218
doix wrote: post #209

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nvidia (and AMD) make the "core", but they don't make a "full" graphics card. Or at least they don't mass produce them, I think Nvidia tried it with their "founders edition". It's just not their main business model, it's been that way for many many years at this point. I'm guessing business people have decided that it's not worth it. Saying that they are "resellers" isn't technically accurate. The 5080 you buy from A…

Nvidia also doesn't make the "core" (i.e. the actual chip). TSMC and Samsung make those. Nvidia designs the chip and (usually) creates a reference PCB to show how to make an actual working GPU using that chip you got from e.g. TSMC. Sometimes (especially in more recent years) they also sell that design as "founders" edition. But they don't sell most of their hardware directly to average consumers. Of course they also…

I've bought multiple founders editions cards from the nvidia store directly. Did they stop doing that recently?

Re: Nvidia announces next-gen RTX 5090 and RTX 5080 GPUs

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Post by tbolt »

ActionHank wrote: post #191
blixt wrote: post #156

Pretty interesting watching their tech explainers on YouTube about the changes in their AI solutions. Apparently they switched from CNNs to transformers for upscaling (with ray tracing support) if I understood correctly though for frame generation makes even more sense to me. 32 GB VRAM on the highest end GPU seems almost small after running LLMs with 128 GB RAM on the M3 Max, but the speed will most likely more than…

They are intentionally keeping the VRAM small on these cards to force people to buy their larger, more expensive offerings.

Maybe, but if they strapped these with 64gb+ wouldn’t that be wasted on folks buying it for its intended purpose? Gaming. Though the “intended use” is changing and has been for a bit now.

Re: Nvidia announces next-gen RTX 5090 and RTX 5080 GPUs

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Post by themaninthedark »

sigmoid10 wrote: post #218
doix wrote: post #209

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nvidia (and AMD) make the "core", but they don't make a "full" graphics card. Or at least they don't mass produce them, I think Nvidia tried it with their "founders edition". It's just not their main business model, it's been that way for many many years at this point. I'm guessing business people have decided that it's not worth it. Saying that they are "resellers" isn't technically accurate. The 5080 you buy from A…

Nvidia also doesn't make the "core" (i.e. the actual chip). TSMC and Samsung make those. Nvidia designs the chip and (usually) creates a reference PCB to show how to make an actual working GPU using that chip you got from e.g. TSMC. Sometimes (especially in more recent years) they also sell that design as "founders" edition. But they don't sell most of their hardware directly to average consumers. Of course they also…

It seems that they have been tightening what they allow their partners to do, which caused EVGA to break away as they were not allowed to deviate too much from the reference design.

Re: Nvidia announces next-gen RTX 5090 and RTX 5080 GPUs

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Post by cma »

terhechte wrote: post #179
blixt wrote: post #156

Pretty interesting watching their tech explainers on YouTube about the changes in their AI solutions. Apparently they switched from CNNs to transformers for upscaling (with ray tracing support) if I understood correctly though for frame generation makes even more sense to me. 32 GB VRAM on the highest end GPU seems almost small after running LLMs with 128 GB RAM on the M3 Max, but the speed will most likely more than…

If you have 128gb ram, try running MoE models, they're a far better fit for Apple's hardware because they trade memory for inference performance. using something like Wizard2 8x22b requires a huge amount of memory to host the 176b model, but only one 22b slice has to be active at a time so you get the token speed of a 22b model.

You can also run the experts on separate machines with low bandwidth networking or even the internet (token rate limited by RTT)

Re: Nvidia announces next-gen RTX 5090 and RTX 5080 GPUs

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Post by kllrnohj »

robertfall wrote: post #168
kllrnohj wrote: post #150

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> There are plenty of AAA games released last years that you can do 4K at 60fps with a RTX 3090 for example. Not when you turn on ray tracing. Also 60fps is pretty low, certainly isn't "high fps" anyway

This. You can't get high frame rates with path tracing and 4K. It just doesn't happen. You need to enable DLSS and frame gen to get 100fps with more complete ray and path tracing implementations. People might be getting upset because the 4090 is WAY more power than games need, but there are games that try and make use of that power and are actually limited by the 4090. Case in point Cyberpunk and Indiana Jones with p…

> Case in point Cyberpunk and Indiana Jones with path tracing don't get anywhere near 100FPS with native resolution.

Cyberpunk native 4k + path tracing gets sub-20fps on a 4090 for anyone unfamiliar with how demanding this is. Nvidia's own 5090 announcement video showcased this as getting a whopping... 28 fps: https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Ff...

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Post by duffyjp »

gnabgib wrote: post #111
Refusing23 wrote: post #106

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Seems kinda silly to make an 8K video card when ... nobody on the planet has an 8K screen

Perhaps you don't, but several of us do. They've been around a while, available in your local bestbuy/costco if you're rocking a 4:4:4 TV they're not even particularly pricey and great for computing (depending on the subpixel layout). On the planet? Many people. Maybe you're thinking 12K or 16K.

I got 4K TVs for both of my kids, they're dirt cheap-- sub $200. I'm surprised the Steam hardware survey doesn't show more. A lot of my friends also set their kids up on TVs, and you can't hardly buy a 1080P TV anymore.

Re: Nvidia announces next-gen RTX 5090 and RTX 5080 GPUs

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Post by automatic6131 »

doix wrote: post #231
sigmoid10 wrote: post #218

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nvidia also doesn't make the "core" (i.e. the actual chip). TSMC and Samsung make those. Nvidia designs the chip and (usually) creates a reference PCB to show how to make an actual working GPU using that chip you got from e.g. TSMC. Sometimes (especially in more recent years) they also sell that design as "founders" edition. But they don't sell most of their hardware directly to average consumers. Of course they also…

Yeah I should have said design, embarrassingly I used to work in a (fabless) semiconductor company. Totally agree with the software part. AMD usually designs something in the same ball park as Nvidia, and usually has a better price:performance ratio at many price points. But the software is just too far behind.

AMDs driver software is more featureful and better than NVidia's offerings. GeForce Experience + the settings app combo was awful, the Nvidia App is just copying some homework, and integrating MSI Afterburner's freeware.

But the business software stack was, yes, best in class. But it's not so for the consumer!

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