It would be interesting to see the effect on average noise levels. Anecdotally, I have heard fewer honks from single unit trucks today.
Actually, I bet noise levels would be a really good proxy to measure the effect itself.
NYC Congestion Pricing Tracker
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#232I'm incredibly hopeful that NYC congestion pricing pays off in a big way - and that we start to see it in other cities across America. I really, really want congestion pricing in downtown SF. During rush hour, cars block the box and slow down busses, with cascading effects.
How do we get around? To get downtown I have to take two busses and then bart (or two busses but it takes longer because there are a lot more stops). The kicker: I'm not even in a suburb, I live in SF! All we do in SF is make car driving worse, we almost never make public transit better. At least NYC has a plenty good enough train system. I end up WFH anyway, largely because it's annoying to get to an office downtown…
> how do we get around
By moving out of crappy overpriced cities?
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#233Earlier quoted context omitted.
What actually improved about the 38? They moved the stops to the other side of the intersection, which saves maybe 1 minute along the entire route.
- Stops moved to be after the light, so bus isn't stuck waiting after people board - Stops moving after the light mean Transit Signal Priority works better. GPS on the bus can "hold" the green light for longer - https://www.sfmta.com/blog/green-lights-muni - Red painted lanes decrease private car use in bus lane, so bus can go faster - Speeding fell by 80%, so fewer accidents mean transit is more reliable There have…
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#234Earlier quoted context omitted.
While I'm obviously exaggerating by saying "never", the list is much smaller than it needs to be, and you have some misleading things on that list. Chinatown subway station is great. Better connects SF residents and it's exactly what I want to see more of in SF. - Van Ness BRT? That project started in 2003. It took 20 years to complete. Not exactly the poster child of solid transit improvements in SF, except if you i…
I provided a list of the biggest ticket items from the past few years. If you want to only look at projects that increase transit availability, reliability, or speed within SF County, check out the Muni Forward projects. Usually half a dozen lines are prioritized each year. https://www.sfmta.com/projects/muni-forward I live in the Richmond, so I've been positively affected by the improvements to the 38/38R (although…
Geary BRT is still not complete. 25 years in the making, and it is just a half assed solution. SF is very inefficient into completing mass transit infrastructure.
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#235Earlier quoted context omitted.
Driving and parking in NYC is already a luxury, there’s no poor person driving and parking there.
There are like 400 housing developments in NYC for lower income folks. Saying that lower income folks don't drive in NYC is bananas.
How does "housing" relate to "cars"? They seem like completely separate things?
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> All congestion pricing does is dissuade people from driving
That is true. And that is the point. Well, it also dissuades people from driving at specific times to even out traffic.
> Subways are terrible and highly unsafe.
Is this really true? Unsafe compared to what? To driving?
> Do you think your average Wall St Bros and White women are going to take subway just because there is congestion pricing?
I'd imagine everyone gets from a to b the quickest they can, regardless of income. No one would do 1h in a taxi if 20 minutes on a subway does it, even to Wall Street.
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#237Earlier quoted context omitted.
How do we get around? To get downtown I have to take two busses and then bart (or two busses but it takes longer because there are a lot more stops). The kicker: I'm not even in a suburb, I live in SF! All we do in SF is make car driving worse, we almost never make public transit better. At least NYC has a plenty good enough train system. I end up WFH anyway, largely because it's annoying to get to an office downtown…
> how do we get around By moving out of crappy overpriced cities?
If it was so crap, it wouldn't be overpriced.
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#238This seems to be selling use of the public roads to rich people (who can more easily afford the tolls). Isn't this a step backwards for social justice?
Poor people don't drive, they're on the bus. This makes transit better for people who don't drive.
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#239Earlier quoted context omitted.
You can already extrapolate from the results from other cities who have implemented the policy, where it has been wildly successful at reducing congestion.
... for rich people.
Nope, it's been great for poorer people who take transit at higher rates than others, and congestion pricing funds useful transit expansions for them.
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#240Earlier quoted context omitted.
Anything that costs money is 'regressive' if you use your definition. Sure, we could means test every toll and fee, but there's a different solution for that already - taxation. There's a secret third option to congestion, which is you disallow some number of people at a time from using the facility, and people really don't like that one. Dig deeper and you find it's a housing problem anyway. People can't afford to h…
Correct. You're acting like your statement refutes the point, though. Charging for things which are publicly shared is regressive.
If you're looking for non-regressive ways to share scarce resources, you're going to struggle. In Tehran, for example, only license plates ending with an odd number can drive on Mondays, even numbers on Tuesdays.