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Orca that carried dead calf for weeks appears to be in mourning again

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Re: Orca that carried dead calf for weeks appears to be in mourning again

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> I was mostly starving hungry What? Vegetarian doesn't necessarily mean you lose all sources of animal protein, there's no real reason to be starving on the diet.

It's pretty common for would-be vegetarians to be "carbotarians" and fail to feed themselves properly because they simply don't know any better and eat primarily bread and pasta. I also had this experience of being a ravenous carbotarian, but my roommates were all vegetarians and taught me. If you don't know vegetarians, look to athletes and home chefs for advice. Tl;Dr combine a grain with a legume at least once a d…

I eat a vegan diet, I'm intricately aware of how this all works. There is no reason for a vegetarian to be going hungry - include a damn egg in your food if you need the protein.

I also have plenty of vegetarian friends and none of them complain about this either, but I'm willing to admit this is possibly not representative of the wider population. I just don't think there's any excuse.

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It's pretty common for would-be vegetarians to be "carbotarians" and fail to feed themselves properly because they simply don't know any better and eat primarily bread and pasta. I also had this experience of being a ravenous carbotarian, but my roommates were all vegetarians and taught me. If you don't know vegetarians, look to athletes and home chefs for advice. Tl;Dr combine a grain with a legume at least once a d…

Cooking a stake, is a lot easier than making a curry is kind of where it gets tricky for me. For now I make a chicken sandwich for lunch, take like 5-10 minutes, fills me up, what do I do as a vegetarian. I love the idea of it, I just think that being a vegetarian can be a luxury and takes more time for some people, especially who have larger frames and appetites.

Scramble some eggs, grab a block of tofu and sear a cutlet for a sandwich, etc. There are plenty of options beyond chicken.

Re: Orca that carried dead calf for weeks appears to be in mourning again

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It's pretty common for would-be vegetarians to be "carbotarians" and fail to feed themselves properly because they simply don't know any better and eat primarily bread and pasta. I also had this experience of being a ravenous carbotarian, but my roommates were all vegetarians and taught me. If you don't know vegetarians, look to athletes and home chefs for advice. Tl;Dr combine a grain with a legume at least once a d…

Cooking a stake, is a lot easier than making a curry is kind of where it gets tricky for me. For now I make a chicken sandwich for lunch, take like 5-10 minutes, fills me up, what do I do as a vegetarian. I love the idea of it, I just think that being a vegetarian can be a luxury and takes more time for some people, especially who have larger frames and appetites.

> For now I make a chicken sandwich for lunch, take like 5-10 minutes, fills me up, what do I do as a vegetarian.

Sandwich with hummus, tomato, cheese, lettuce. Very quick and filling. Maybe have it with a hardboiled egg. That's what I would do.

For a 20-30m thing I like to do asparagus, mushrooms, and tofu as a stir fry, lots of protein in that.

Since you mentioned a whey shake I'm guessing you get a lot of exercise. That's probably why it's more difficult for you. Plenty of people work out and are vegetarian, but yeah, both factors are going to make it more challenging and require you to be more mindful.

To be clear, I'm responding because I think it's an interesting topic of conversation, I think being a vegetarian every other day is a perfectly reasonable choice.

Re: Orca that carried dead calf for weeks appears to be in mourning again

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It's pretty common for would-be vegetarians to be "carbotarians" and fail to feed themselves properly because they simply don't know any better and eat primarily bread and pasta. I also had this experience of being a ravenous carbotarian, but my roommates were all vegetarians and taught me. If you don't know vegetarians, look to athletes and home chefs for advice. Tl;Dr combine a grain with a legume at least once a d…

I eat a vegan diet, I'm intricately aware of how this all works. There is no reason for a vegetarian to be going hungry - include a damn egg in your food if you need the protein. I also have plenty of vegetarian friends and none of them complain about this either, but I'm willing to admit this is possibly not representative of the wider population. I just don't think there's any excuse.

I don't mean to make you feel patronized, I wanted to add context because it's a "lucky 10000" sort of phenomenon where the knowledge is so common that it isn't discussed, and people who don't know often aren't told. It's easy to eat on autopilot and then get in trouble when you decide to change your diet. I figured there were people reading who didn't know.

Your friends not complaining is probably an example of that, they remain vegetarians because they've already worked this out, they don't complain because it isn't a problem, they don't tell you because you already know.

Re: Orca that carried dead calf for weeks appears to be in mourning again

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That's why I can't wait for lab grown meat becoming a thing. I love meat and my understanding is that its healthy and necessary product but i also have nothing but respect to vegetarians.

I've wondered why, instead of trying to lab grow meat (which I think is decades off, due to various problems), we just don't try to breed dumber, unfeeling, cows.

“Breeding psychopathic cows seemed like a good idea until they took control” seems like a very weird comic book plot line or something :-)

Re: Orca that carried dead calf for weeks appears to be in mourning again

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Yes, it made me think about animals panicking so much before slaughter that they often have heart attacks. And dairy cows who have their babies slaughtered who cry for weeks. Maybe these are apocryphal stories, but we are very much trained to believe we shouldn’t anthropomorphise animals. I hope that we are able to grow meat in a way without suffering as soon as possible.

In my opinion, this is why hunting is ethically superior. Almost nothing dies peacefully in the wild, it's either massive long term suffering, or being mauled by dogs, bears or big cats, strangled by pythons etc. A skilled hunter can choose an adult animal without kids and take it fairly humanely. Sadly, we all have to die somehow. Hunters and fisherman generally have great respect for nature and the environment, whi…

As a vegan I agree with that. However not all huntings are great, especially when conducted for fun instead of meat. Perhaps your already know the famous footage of new-head of NRA struggling to kill an elephant : https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56923507.amp

(He says he gave later the meat to the villagers. I guess they ate it but I’m not sure they requested it in the first place)

Re: Orca that carried dead calf for weeks appears to be in mourning again

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> Tahlequah is using much of her energy to cling to the dead calf, which weighs about 300 pounds, and she is unable to forage for food, scientists said during a news briefing on Thursday. They said that her closely knit pod was supporting her. Other female orcas, especially her sister, have been observed to be consistently at her side. Utterly tragic. It's also singularly evil the devastation humans have brought to s…

I always have mixed feelings about this. It's sad. But how is her pod supporting her exactly? Are they bringing her food? If so is that food the dead offspring of other animals? I feel these kinds of stories often have a kind of selective empathy for the focused animal. Ultimately nature is extraordinarily cruel absent humans; imo humans are the only hope for something better, if such a thing even makes sense.

Spot on. The whole world is in a constant state of SNAFU. That is the sole truth I’ve understood from many years of pondering and soul searching. To make sense of this world (and the universe) beyond our limited means of comprehension is a futile attempt. Everything is relative - compassion, love, hurt, morality. One being’s loss is anothers’ blessing (food).

I’m also not so hopeful about humans. A simple example: the way we mass produce and slaughter animals for food is beyond cruel. It’s impossible to not be on the wrong side of some argument if you look hard enough. No matter how ethical you are. I am honestly convinced the world just is. We give meaning to things to live as a civilization (and avoid conflict) but the universe/nature/world probably doesn’t give a shit.

Re: Orca that carried dead calf for weeks appears to be in mourning again

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I always have mixed feelings about this. It's sad. But how is her pod supporting her exactly? Are they bringing her food? If so is that food the dead offspring of other animals? I feel these kinds of stories often have a kind of selective empathy for the focused animal. Ultimately nature is extraordinarily cruel absent humans; imo humans are the only hope for something better, if such a thing even makes sense.

Spot on. The whole world is in a constant state of SNAFU. That is the sole truth I’ve understood from many years of pondering and soul searching. To make sense of this world (and the universe) beyond our limited means of comprehension is a futile attempt. Everything is relative - compassion, love, hurt, morality. One being’s loss is anothers’ blessing (food). I’m also not so hopeful about humans. A simple example: th…

In case I wasn’t clear, I asked ChatGPT to explain what I wrote above. I think it did a pretty good job:

This reflection expresses a deeply existential and relativistic view of the world. Here’s a breakdown:

1. SNAFU as the Status Quo: The term SNAFU (Situation Normal, All Fouled Up) suggests that chaos, dysfunction, and disorder are inherent to the world. It implies acceptance that imperfection and unpredictability are the norm, not the exception.

2. Limits of Comprehension: The belief that trying to make sense of the world or universe is futile arises from recognizing the limitations of human cognition and perspective. This acknowledges that meaning, morality, and truth are often constructs rather than absolutes.

3. Relativity of Values: Concepts like compassion, love, morality, and even suffering are seen as subjective. They are shaped by context and perspective—what benefits one being might harm another, exemplified by the food chain.

4. Critique of Human Ethics: The example of industrial animal farming underscores a broader disillusionment with humanity’s moral contradictions. Even well-intentioned actions can have unintended, unethical consequences, leading to the view that absolute moral “rightness” is unattainable.

5. Indifference of the Universe: The idea that the universe “doesn’t give a shit” challenges the anthropocentric tendency to project meaning onto existence. This highlights the randomness and indifference of nature, leaving humans to assign purpose to their actions as a way of coping.

6. Civilization as a Construct: Meaning and morality are framed as tools for societal cohesion and conflict avoidance, rather than intrinsic truths. This echoes a nihilistic perspective where life “just is,” devoid of inherent purpose or universal justice.

It reflects a worldview shaped by realism, skepticism, and existential questioning, wrestling with the contradictions of human morality and the indifferent nature of existence.

Re: Orca that carried dead calf for weeks appears to be in mourning again

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As someone who has worked on farms i can verify that such things happen. I personally witnessed sheep behaving exactly as decided in The Silence of the Lambs. Our sheep were famously noisy and certainly were used to being moved around in lorries but when the abattoir lorry turned up you could almost smell their fear. I also witnessed a cow storm through four fences in order to be reunited with her calf. The irony: Th…

That reads like dark satire.

Thats pretty much how I now see it.

Re: Orca that carried dead calf for weeks appears to be in mourning again

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I don't think non-dairy milks are artificially expensive so much as cow milk is artificially cheap. At least in the US. Federal dairy subsidies and all that.

Oat/almond milk suppliers are definitely pricing them artificially expensive. Here in Singapore, where soy milk has been around for decades, soy milk in both fresh and UHT forms tend to be much cheaper than dairy.

It might be a demand issue. In Singapore a lot of people are lactose intolerant, hence the demand for dairy substitutes is greater.
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