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Why Canada Should Join the EU

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Re: Why Canada Should Join the EU

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Post by deepsun »

skissane wrote: post #179
BJones12 wrote: post #8

> Europeans could learn from Canada how to allow immigration in a fashion that the population embraces rather than tolerates Clearly the author is ignorant. Canadians are sick of immigration. Young Canadians doubly so. Racism is becoming more acceptable by the day.

I think there is a real difference between immigration to Canada and immigration to Europe. Canada's immigration policy is on the whole highly selective, focused on skilled immigrants. The largest category of immigrants is professionals. Immigration laws are enforced and illegal immigration is relatively low. Refugees are admitted, but the government retains control over the numbers, the source countries, which indiv…

Just a nitpick -- the "overheated property market" sounds like a bad thing, but I don't understand why it must be that way. In the end -- property developers are Canadian companies, and must bathe in money. "Younger Canadians" must be enjoying elevated salaries at these companies.

The only reason I see why it is that way is when other Canadians restrict the supply of real estate (NIMBY) to inflate their own property value. Same for most other democratic real estate markets in the world in the past years, not just Canada, regardless of immigration levels.

Re: Why Canada Should Join the EU

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Post by the_other »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #188
isodev wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was a legitimate question. Issues related to displacement of people are often labeled as related to immigration or immigration problems while they’re closer to things like policy and services. These are also topics favourited by populist parties because it’s easy to generalise on them and misrepresent facts.

You're missing the point. We have no idea what your intended difference between immigration and "immigration" is supposed to be.

The one without quotes means "people moving across borders" the one with quotes means "people we've chosen to label as scary and dangerous because it makes you vote for us".

Re: Why Canada Should Join the EU

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Post by criddell »

cmrdporcupine wrote: post #83
BossingAround wrote: post #9

If Canada joined the EU, they would have a TON of immediate immigrants, ranging from manual labor (e.g. plumbers, builders, cleaners, factory workers, ...) up to knowledge workers (e.g. software engineers, doctors, nurses, ...). Not sure what that would do with Canadian economy. IMO it would be even more desirable target for emigration than the UK when it was in the EU. I know I would certainly consider it, being a s…

Canada's points-based system already makes it pretty easy for the latter category to come here. To the point where people in our profession have highly depressed compensation packages when compared to the US because our job market is very much flooded with inbound foreign talent. Domestic trained talent tends to leave for the US. Because under NAFTA it's trivial to do so. Manual labour, yeah, that's another story. NA…

Are tech companies rapidly expanding in Canada to take advantage of all that cheap labor?

Re: Why Canada Should Join the EU

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Post by thenaturalist »

ThrowawayTestr wrote: post #221
mmooss wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Despite the critics, many countries have signed up and would like to, and only one has left. Why is EU membership so much in demand?

Weak countries need the protection of Germany and France

Germany has no domestic military power to speak of, military is comically underfunded. No nuclear deterrence. Not sure what kind of protection you're thinking of.

We can send beer to your enemy in hopes they opt for boozing rather than shooting.

Re: Why Canada Should Join the EU

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Post by dietr1ch »

ThrowawayTestr wrote: post #215
titanomachy wrote: post #175

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You're right. I don't live in Canada anymore, but even my moderate and liberal friends in Canada regularly complain about immigrants. That sentiment feels very new to me, though. I think Canada did have a positive view of immigrants for a long time.

That's because those immigrants came here because they wanted to be Canadians. These new immigrants have no desire to integrate.

There's a certain amount of people that can adapt to a place, but if too many people of common culture comes in they just hijack the place. In Canada it seems to me they didn't establish the limit properly and people also worked around it by moving within Canada disregarding the agreement that they'd stay in a certain zone that still had some slack of people they could integrate.

Re: Why Canada Should Join the EU

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Post by mainframed »

guywithahat wrote: post #190
BJones12 wrote: post #8

> Europeans could learn from Canada how to allow immigration in a fashion that the population embraces rather than tolerates Clearly the author is ignorant. Canadians are sick of immigration. Young Canadians doubly so. Racism is becoming more acceptable by the day.

I mean racism isn't directly associated with support or opposition for immigration. You can be opposed to all immigration, even support remigration, and not be racist

Remigration [...] is a [...] political concept referring to the forced or promoted return of non-ethnically European immigrants, often including their descendants who were born in Europe, back to their place of racial origin, typically with no regard for their citizenship [^1]

Sounds pretty racist to me. Maybe you can be clearer on what you mean by non-racist remigration? The far-right groups, which are, at least in my country (Germany), the only once using the term to my knowledge, clearly mean it in a racist way.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remigration

Re: Why Canada Should Join the EU

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Post by lucb1e »

aborsy wrote: post #124
jasoneckert wrote: post #87

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The opposite would be better for the US. If the US joined Canada, they could benefit from universal healthcare, schooling, and responsible gun laws within a short period of time, given the available resources that would be added to the Canadian system.

This is wishful thinking. The quality of public healthcare in Canada has been declining. In particular, the waiting times are long. Those who are well off go to US for important timely care. The gun violence in US is higher, but the chances of that impacting you are low, if you avoid problematic areas.

> Those who are well off

Spot on. I'm quite well off but don't think I'd support a system where only the well-off get good treatment. Better to have all shoulders supporting the system for everyone. Even if that means going through lesser years (also since it's not like good healthcare stops altogether during that time), having the relatively rich as well as politicians also need to make use of the system makes a lot of things suddenly possible

Re: Why Canada Should Join the EU

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Post by DyslexicAtheist »

naniwaduni wrote: post #193
JodieBenitez wrote: post #82

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For a moment I thought that was satire. Canada has its share of "multicultural" problems. And that's on top of french speaking people vs. english speaking people.

> And that's on top of french speaking people vs. english speaking people. In the EU, of course, everyone is against anglophones.

being "anglophone" isn't the issue. Rather that we're ALL anglophones. But anglophones (or better native English speakers) are only anglophones.

Re: Why Canada Should Join the EU

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Post by cmrdporcupine »

criddell wrote: post #233
cmrdporcupine wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Canada's points-based system already makes it pretty easy for the latter category to come here. To the point where people in our profession have highly depressed compensation packages when compared to the US because our job market is very much flooded with inbound foreign talent. Domestic trained talent tends to leave for the US. Because under NAFTA it's trivial to do so. Manual labour, yeah, that's another story. NA…

Are tech companies rapidly expanding in Canada to take advantage of all that cheap labor?

For a time there was a little bit of that. Some of the FAANGs in particular were growing their offices here significantly, and paid above the median for it.

Now there's a surplus of talent in the US, so no need.

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