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Re: Tell HN: Impassable Cloudflare challenges are ruining my browsing experience

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Post by Kwpolska »

ringer wrote: post #223
bastard_op wrote: post #24

I deal with this fairly commonly, presumably because I use linux, and we all know only botnets use linux. Occasionally with cloudflare I'll just get summary rejection and supposed blocking of my IP, but either it's summary rejection or a pass without challenge. Recently I had to deal with this for alibaba just to look at something, which I usually just use torbrowser with, and finally gave up as I couldn't pass the c…

I visited albertsons.com out of curiosity, but I was instantly banned. Even using an unmodified Chromium browser, I couldn't access the site. It's ridiculous what's happening on the internet today. The error: ``` Access denied Error 16 www.albertsons.com 2025-01-03 09:30:00 UTC What happened? This request was blocked by our security service Your IP: xxx Proxy IP: xxx (ID xxx) Incident ID: XXX Powered by Imperva ```

Immediate bans might be related to the country you're in. This is a US retailer, and there is zero reason for someone outside of the US to visit that site. Blocking foreign visitors allows them to ignore GDPR, for example.

Re: Tell HN: Impassable Cloudflare challenges are ruining my browsing experience

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Post by scarface_74 »

luckylion wrote: post #227
scarface_74 wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every SaaS company I’ve worked for has had a compatibility matrix where we say what we support. If we lost customers who were running a highly customized Firefox on Linux, so be it. Every company decides which customers are worth going after.

Yes, sure, but 5% includes stock firefox, zero modifications, zero plugins. Might still be a business decision, but it's like saying "we'll drop any emails that indicate a mail client other than apple mail/gmail/outlook".

While not that strict, see how far you get hosting your own email as far as not being rejected or automatically classified as spam

Re: Tell HN: Impassable Cloudflare challenges are ruining my browsing experience

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Post by tempaccount420 »

focusedone wrote: post #109

Exact same situation here. Linux, fairly funky firefox setup, eventually couldn't use half of the internet without hitting CF prompts, often wasn't able to get around them. I wound up removing / reinstalling firefox...same exact setup otherwise. No more cloudflare (or vastly fewer) prompts. The internet is usable again. Hope that helps.

I had to switch to Chrome. Reinstall was not enough for me.

Re: Tell HN: Impassable Cloudflare challenges are ruining my browsing experience

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Post by ringer »

Kwpolska wrote: post #231
ringer wrote: post #223

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I visited albertsons.com out of curiosity, but I was instantly banned. Even using an unmodified Chromium browser, I couldn't access the site. It's ridiculous what's happening on the internet today. The error: ``` Access denied Error 16 www.albertsons.com 2025-01-03 09:30:00 UTC What happened? This request was blocked by our security service Your IP: xxx Proxy IP: xxx (ID xxx) Incident ID: XXX Powered by Imperva ```

Immediate bans might be related to the country you're in. This is a US retailer, and there is zero reason for someone outside of the US to visit that site. Blocking foreign visitors allows them to ignore GDPR, for example.

In this case, they may display a message like: 'This page is intended for USA visitors only. Our services do not operate outside the USA.', but no, they say you are banned because just...

Re: Tell HN: Impassable Cloudflare challenges are ruining my browsing experience

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Post by anthk »

solardev wrote: post #54
blakeashleyjr wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While you hit the nail on the head, I am still surprised that so many tools targeted at people like me (web hosting, developer tools, etc.) are protected that way.

Most developers I've met were actually similarly lazy... we just use Chrome on Mac, and don't really want to deal with VPNs unless our employers force us to. The last few Firefox holdouts also switched after running into various WebGL/Canvas/etc issues. The same attitude that leads us to focus on "happy path" users and ignore edge cases often also causes us to sheeple into that same basic dev group. Long gone are the…

>developer chrome, Mac

Maybe in your country, but tons of countries outside of the US (first world) avoid Macs like the plague and just use Linux/Windows as building machines.

But you are right on Google/Cloudflare, they are the poison of the web.

Re: Tell HN: Impassable Cloudflare challenges are ruining my browsing experience

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Post by happymellon »

salzig wrote: post #130
Animats wrote: post #13

> The "unsubscribe" button in Indeed's job notification emails leads me to an impassable Cloudflare challenge. That's a CAN-SPAM act violation. FTC: "Tell recipients how to opt out of receiving future marketing email from you. Your message must include a clear and conspicuous explanation of how the recipient can opt out of getting marketing email from you in the future. Craft the notice in a way that’s easy for an or…

Thanks for that note. I receive „spam“ by a US based Car Rentel/Leasing Company, cause they prevent me from unsubscribing because i am in European IP-Range (geo-blocking). Especially „nice“ cause they send me contract specific details of one of their customers, who misspelled his email address.

I received spam for quite a while from Robinhood, back when they suggested they were going to enter the UK market and to sign up for more details.

They didn't but I still recieved spam which I couldn't opt out of because they wanted me to log into my account, even for support, which obviously didn't exist.

At least back then we had Twitter and messaging them publicly got a customer service response.

Re: Tell HN: Impassable Cloudflare challenges are ruining my browsing experience

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Post by tempaccount420 »

_yb2s wrote: post #76

I had similar issues as an (also heavily customized) Firefox user, but was able to fix it by installing Cloudflare's Privacy Pass browser extension. It seems ironic that as a human I can't seem to reliably prove I am a human with a realistic amount of effort via these systems, but having installed a specific automated browser extension does? I am not a fan of Cloudflare and don't like the idea of running their softwa…

I didn't know that extension existed, so after failing to fix it by reinstalling Firefox and removing extensions, I just gave up and installed Chrome.

Re: Tell HN: Impassable Cloudflare challenges are ruining my browsing experience

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Post by dolmen »

solatic wrote: post #219
Animats wrote: post #13

> The "unsubscribe" button in Indeed's job notification emails leads me to an impassable Cloudflare challenge. That's a CAN-SPAM act violation. FTC: "Tell recipients how to opt out of receiving future marketing email from you. Your message must include a clear and conspicuous explanation of how the recipient can opt out of getting marketing email from you in the future. Craft the notice in a way that’s easy for an or…

Makes me wonder. If it's illegal to deploy bot protection on unsubscribe links, and there are massive lists of leaked email addresses available, surely someone has tried to mass-unsubscribe tons of email addresses from tons of mailing lists?

More likely: someone tried to automate unsubscribing one e-mail address from massive list of mailing lists.
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