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Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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Re: Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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Post by nozzlegear »

parineum wrote: post #197
ashoeafoot wrote: post #167

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Economic self strangulation induced via the wealth gap. Its going to be economically impossible to build anything but luxury shoes next.

I could explain to a child how printing new money causes inflation, which we did twice since COVID. How does the wealth gap cause inflation?

I don't claim to be an economist, but direct stimulus payments to Americans totaled about $2100 on average. The US economy is worth trillions annually. I'm sure the stimulus checks made a small bump on inflation in the short term, but they couldn't possibly drive sustained, systemic inflation. Unless you're talking about the broader fiscal packages for supporting businesses/unemployment benefits during COVID when you say "printing new money?"

Re: Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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Post by nozzlegear »

paulddraper wrote: post #208
davidw wrote: post #14

I'm nearly 50. I'm used to the idea of businesses owners having different politics than my own, but mostly that was the sort of self-interested "I'm wealthy and I think wealthy people should pay fewer taxes and their businesses should be subject to fewer regulations" sorts of things. You can disagree without thinking they're necessarily Bad People or worthy of boycotting their businesses. Indeed, it's the hallmark of…

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This lacks any and all context. What's the relevance?

Re: Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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Post by penjelly »

davidw wrote: post #14

I'm nearly 50. I'm used to the idea of businesses owners having different politics than my own, but mostly that was the sort of self-interested "I'm wealthy and I think wealthy people should pay fewer taxes and their businesses should be subject to fewer regulations" sorts of things. You can disagree without thinking they're necessarily Bad People or worthy of boycotting their businesses. Indeed, it's the hallmark of…

the "dark MAGA" bit was very unusual, not sure what musk was thinking there

Re: Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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Post by jarsin »

light_hue_1 wrote: post #54
sidcool wrote: post #4

Why's there so much hate for Tesla here on HN?

Hated for Tesla isn't here on HN. It's out in the world. Back even 5 years ago the brand was crazy hot. Everyone loved it. People at work, driving around, students on campus would stop me to ask about it. There was nothing else you could drive that signaled you cared about the environment and wanted to do something about it. Now, the brand is completely toxic. People talk about it apologetically. No one is proud or h…

Kind of like twitter too

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Post by FloorEgg »

KerrAvon wrote: post #173
FloorEgg wrote: post #157

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You are disengaged from consensus reality if you don’t understand why thinking the 2020 election was in any way fraudulent is an extreme view.

Or maybe I don't understand what you are saying. Are you saying that Elon is claiming that the 2020 election was fraudulent? Because if you are, then its news to me. I didn't know he held that stance.

Re: Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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Post by s1artibartfast »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #79
chvid wrote: post #44

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Most business leaders are smart enough not to talk politics because they understand how politics works (divides people) and is contrary to their business.

> they understand how politics works (divides people) More than that: it's human nature to identify lines of disagreement when observing within your in group. You and I might agree on 99 things, but we will suss out–with preternatural efficiency–the one we disagree on. (Again, if we identify as being in the same group. Travel to a foreign country and you'll notice similarities.) Taking public positions on anything te…

Something I've been pondering for a while now is the intersection of human speech, public speech, and public desire for consistency and accuracy.

Many if not most people develop opinions about the world by trying them on for size and engaging with it.

In our daily personal life, people might say something dumb in the morning and change their mind by dinner.

Despite this being fundamentally human behavior, few things outrage the public as much as public characters who are inconsistent. CEOs and politicians especially are expected to never change their minds or positions, even on multi decade timescales.

Re: Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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Post by voganmother42 »

bdangubic wrote: post #227
fckgw wrote: post #33

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I just think they're bad cars. The "minimalist interior" is just a way to cheap out on features and they're not built that great. Hyundai or Rivian have some great EV offerings for same price or cheaper.

this is blantantly false. you cannot sell this many “bad” cars to start with. people can say whatever they want about elon politically or otherwise but the cars themselves are fucking awesome. and not only that, the supercharger network takes all the anxiety of owning ANY OTHER EV completely out of the equation. my wife has a non-Tesla EV and every longer trip basically is a project where she needs to prepare for whe…

I disagree with your opinion so its wrong!

Re: Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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Post by bdangubic »

voganmother42 wrote: post #237
bdangubic wrote: post #227

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this is blantantly false. you cannot sell this many “bad” cars to start with. people can say whatever they want about elon politically or otherwise but the cars themselves are fucking awesome. and not only that, the supercharger network takes all the anxiety of owning ANY OTHER EV completely out of the equation. my wife has a non-Tesla EV and every longer trip basically is a project where she needs to prepare for whe…

I disagree with your opinion so its wrong!

millions and millions and millions of cars sold is not really an opinion :)

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Post by amluto »

freejazz wrote: post #202
bko wrote: post #68

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The upside of having an outspoken public figure at the head is that he's in charge and takes ownership. It's pretty wild that you can have some failure in your Tesla, and you can just tweet about it and if its a compelling issue you'll get the CEO to respond and address it directly. Imagine trying to get the attention of someone from Ford. I don't know if you can have it both ways. Either you're a faceless soulless c…

> It's pretty wild that you can have some failure in your Tesla, and you can just tweet about it and if its a compelling issue you'll get the CEO to respond and address it directly. I'd imagine just regular old good customer service would suffice but, you do you.

Regular good old customer service used to be pretty great, but it’s gone way down hill in the last couple years.

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Post by [deleted] »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #224
archagon wrote: post #196

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He also recently called for the execution of a government witness: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politic... The mask is completely off at this point.

Disturbing as hell. I'd never heard this before.

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