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Re: 1-800-ChatGPT

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Post by slg »

glenstein wrote: post #219
slg wrote: post #205

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those descriptions are less detailed than the information you will see on basically any streaming interface and yet it still manages to not being very good. For example, no person who had actually seen Anora would describe it as "a compelling drama about the life of a sex worker in Coney Island".

I haven't seen Anora so I'll give you that one, but you cited that as if it was just one of many examples, when in fact I think it's the only one, as all the other descriptions seem reasonable. Originally the problem was supposedly that it would hallucinate complete and utter gibberish, but now here we are quibbling over one example and insisting that maybe it's not quite as good as alternative descriptions. The gap…

I'm not Alupis. I can't and am not trying to speak on their behalf. I'm therefore not moving the goalposts they established. I'm making my own related point.

That point is that the information provided above about these movies is worthless. It does not add any new value beyond what would already be available in the streaming interface. Several of the descriptions are nothing but the genre and one person involved in the making of the movie. And yet even with these descriptions being incredibly short and vague, they still manage to contain at least one misleading summary.

Re: 1-800-ChatGPT

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Post by freedomben »

Alupis wrote: post #172
bsimpson wrote: post #168

On coast to coast flights, there's often not a good way of knowing what movies are available until after you've left cell coverage. This makes simple research like checking the IMDb score challenging. Alaska Air has a whitelist of messaging services that you can use for free during the flight. WhatsApp is on that list. So if you want to research obscure plane movies on an Alaska flight, you can connect to their wifi…

I would expect nothing but hallucinations and nonsense coming out of any LLM regarding recently-released movies (aka. the ones you often find on flights).

I've heard that Twitter's (AKA X's) LLM (Grok) is really, really good at this sort of thing (in part because it has recent access to Twitter's data).

Re: 1-800-ChatGPT

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Post by dartos »

glenstein wrote: post #219
slg wrote: post #205

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those descriptions are less detailed than the information you will see on basically any streaming interface and yet it still manages to not being very good. For example, no person who had actually seen Anora would describe it as "a compelling drama about the life of a sex worker in Coney Island".

I haven't seen Anora so I'll give you that one, but you cited that as if it was just one of many examples, when in fact I think it's the only one, as all the other descriptions seem reasonable. Originally the problem was supposedly that it would hallucinate complete and utter gibberish, but now here we are quibbling over one example and insisting that maybe it's not quite as good as alternative descriptions. The gap…

> I haven't seen Anora so I'll give you that one

It was literally the first movie in that list.

You tried making a counter example and the first part of it was already wrong.

That’s the point. Not that it _cant_ give good answers, but whether it does or not is a crap shoot.

Now to analyze how correct it was we need to verify each movie it gave… It’d be faster just to read the movie descriptions.

Re: 1-800-ChatGPT

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Post by conductr »

swatcoder wrote: post #141
cco wrote: post #5

100% shipped to show off to family during Christmas. I'll definitely give it a go, I wonder if this lands better with those aged 50+ who are more used to phone calls rather than chat.

You're surely right that they anticipate it being be a novelty that people share during holiday visits. But as you can probably tell from the other replies, the idea that older people don't know how to use internet-era technology is a meme that was wearing thin 20 years ago already. People who haven't had ChatGPT "land" for them yet are likely just people who don't find themselves asking a lot of questions they need…

I’m a few years from 50 and while Google has deteriorated my Google fu and ability to see signals through the noise still serves me well enough and is my comfort zone.

When I dabble with chatgpt it always feels like I’m playing with a toy as I don’t really have a use case I’m taking to it. I’ve used a few websites creators and code generators which have been useful but also I don’t think they saved me much time overall. Web design, graphic design, etc and creative stuff are things I suck creating so it gives me a new power and is easy to iterate on. Otherwise, I’ve not found much actual value from it yet.

If it makes you much more efficient in your job, like it does for professional software devs, many of HN users, then i think you’re more apt to be excited by the tech

Re: 1-800-ChatGPT

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Post by superb_dev »

freedomben wrote: post #230

Anyone know (and willing to share) what are they using for PSTN integration? I've been looking into options for our non-profit tech startup (Ameelio) and about the best pricing I can find is about 1.35 cents per minute. It surprises (and saddens) me that it's still so expensive. I'm sure at a bigger scale you can negotiate better pricing, but based on the quick conversations I've had with vendors it doesn't get signi…

I've used Skyetel before, they were pretty cheap and the service is great!

Re: 1-800-ChatGPT

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Post by nsluss »

bryant wrote: post #109
nsluss wrote: post #91

I feel like everyone who has used a lot of AI tools has become accustomed to the LLM yap, but hearing it over TTS is much more annoying than when it's text you can skim through.

It's much, much better than TTS you might be familiar with. Give it a call.

I did and should have given credit above for the voice, it's very good. I meant to comment on the verbosity of what was being said, not the quality of the TTS itself.

Re: 1-800-ChatGPT

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Post by cj »

paxys wrote: post #83
qwertox wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think it's the same purpose. YouTube, TV and Movies offers enough speech samples and a lot of content is dubbed to other languages, and alot of this content already has the transcripts available. They know who's calling, and the greeting was something like "Hello again". They are catching up at building a competitive database of persons and their preferences at the scale of FAANG. They're moving over from col…

Regular human conversational voice, especially over the phone, is going to be a gold mine for training customer support AI agents. Actors reading movie scripts can't really provide that amount of relevance.

“This call is being recorded for quality and training purposes” truly has a new meaning.

Re: 1-800-ChatGPT

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Post by jklinger410 »

beefnugs wrote: post #225
hansonkd wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i think when people say things like this it indicates that they tried LLMs in 2022 and solidified their opinion there. I had the same impression about the hallucinations 2 years ago. The reality is in at the end of 2024, you can get incredible value from LLMs. I've used copilot to code almost exclusively now for the past few months. Anyone still comparing it to text completion I feel is operating on completely out of…

Wait do you expect people to retry every failed thing they have tried due to marketing lies every how often exactly?

Do you expect the first iteration of every product to be perfect?

Re: 1-800-ChatGPT

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Post by glenstein »

th0ma5 wrote: post #209
tracerbulletx wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In every post about LLMs there is someone to blindly say something like this. When in reality if you ask ChatGPT for 10 good movies from this year you will get this. Anora - Directed by Sean Baker, a compelling drama about the life of a sex worker in Coney Island. Challengers - A provocative tennis drama directed by Luca Guadagnino, starring Zendaya. Dune: Part Two - Denis Villeneuve's continuation of the epic scienc…

Great! Now show me a system that can verify that list for accuracy as well. Not to be flippant, but this is the complaint. You can't approach outputs uncritically. And no I don't want it to be as unreliable as a person who also forgets how English or basic knowledge works at random intervals.

They were responding to a comment that suggested that this was a category where the only thing you would get is unintelligible gibberish.

You don't even seem to be disputing the actual results here, just gesturing towards a kind of philosophy class exercise of whether we can ever "really" verify its accuracy. I see Wittgenstein's name increasingly tossed around in these parts (a good thing!), so I'll just note that one of the reasons he's hailed as one of the great philosophers of the 20th century is because he felt these puzzles about "really" knowing were frivolous.

I don't think I agree that what's needed here is some new and extra process of verification. I think the same usual quality control criteria that are already being used are good enough in this case.

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