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US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Post by alfiedotwtf »

OhioMan2943 wrote: post #201
endgame wrote: post #199

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem with AU's U16 ban is that it's going to end up being a de facto real ID requirement for any Australian to communicate online. And also, how many of us on this site were able to learn and grow because they got online as teenagers and learned things? It would have been much, much better to regulate out the worst features of social media platforms for everyone than to pass a Bill that nobody knows how to imp…

I'm hoping it's a government or licensed third party provided anonymous token login system, or an email with a protected top level domain like anonymous@citizenverification.au or something. De facto id will be a massive step backwards, if they move forward despite saying they most likely wouldn't, but not as far backwards as raising a generation on reactionary and divisive social media

lol… you must be new here. When has ANY digital initiative gone right the first time from any Australian government.

The last time they tried censorship (aka Stephen Conroy) it was thwarted by a 15 year old and abandoned. Let’s not even talk about their current piracy website ban where all you need to do is point DNS to someone non-Australian.

Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Post by codedokode »

supernetworks_ wrote: post #42

Americans can’t invest directly in Chinese companies and shouldn’t be obligated to host Chinese companies in their markets or be surprised when political whims ban them, since the lack of shared investment is political too. People clearly enjoy the content on there so the outcome is sad but it’s a complicated economic dynamic that is hard to grasp

Americans are selling iPhones into China and are getting exorbital profits from this though. Doesn't look fair to me.

Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Post by wiseowise »

sourcepluck wrote: post #57
brickfaced wrote: post #30

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Yes! We need to have only American propaganda in the heads of the vulnerable youth of America, and we need to have only Chinese propaganda in the heads of the vulnerable youth of China, and we need to have only Zimbabwean propaganda in the heads of the vulnerable youth of Zimbabwe. And so on and so on, down through all the letters of the alphabet. That'll solve our problems!

Of course not, we should let all propaganda flow into minds of children and vulnerable.

Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Post by OhioMan2943 »

alfiedotwtf wrote: post #231
OhioMan2943 wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm hoping it's a government or licensed third party provided anonymous token login system, or an email with a protected top level domain like anonymous@citizenverification.au or something. De facto id will be a massive step backwards, if they move forward despite saying they most likely wouldn't, but not as far backwards as raising a generation on reactionary and divisive social media

lol… you must be new here. When has ANY digital initiative gone right the first time from any Australian government. The last time they tried censorship (aka Stephen Conroy) it was thwarted by a 15 year old and abandoned. Let’s not even talk about their current piracy website ban where all you need to do is point DNS to someone non-Australian.

I'm pretty aware of how inept our government is at these policies, and their surveillance state tendencies (eg undisclosed facial recognition testing at flinder street station). But at this point i think a malicious australian government is less of a threat to the public and our way of life and emotional prosperity than social media.

Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Post by intended »

endgame wrote: post #199
OhioMan2943 wrote: post #167

This is one of the things in my lifetime that gives me the most optimism, alongisde the IRA Bill. as someone in Australia who strongly supports our recent U16 ban, I hope META gets removed/broken up for you guys soon after, at least for underage users. I'm 22 and often wish I had never been born into a world with social media, with the belief that it is one of the worst things we have ever made as a species. I know t…

The problem with AU's U16 ban is that it's going to end up being a de facto real ID requirement for any Australian to communicate online. And also, how many of us on this site were able to learn and grow because they got online as teenagers and learned things? It would have been much, much better to regulate out the worst features of social media platforms for everyone than to pass a Bill that nobody knows how to imp…

The success rates for MOOCs is usually lower than 5%.

MOOCs were the holy grail - free, Quality, any time, education.

And it still had single digit pass rates.

———-

The people who are self motivated to learn, are probably people who move entire fields forward.

They are likely very happy while learning.

It’s an important part of human survival and existence.

We can and should optimize for it.

We are going to waste energy, if we argue that we should optimize for possibly 5% of the population.

Disregarding what 95% want, is a losing battle.

Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Post by wiseowise »

jussaying2 wrote: post #202
wiseowise wrote: post #186

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China soft invades minds of Western people under disguise of “freedom of speech”.

Well if that's the problem, then maybe address that, perhaps by teaching people critical thinking skills? But teaching people to ask critical questions risks unraveling the fabric of American capitalism ("Hey why is it that the government spends more on healthcare per capita than any other OECD country but with markedly worse outcomes?", "How can we call ourselves the greatest nation on Earth when we are simultaneous…

> But teaching people to ask critical questions risks

How long will it take to do it on a meaningful scale, all while “free-thinkers” (read Chinese and Russian bots) beat the drum of “they’re brainwashing you”?

Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Post by [deleted] »

lukan wrote: post #211
OhioMan2943 wrote: post #194

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I know this, but there is still a massive net benefit for the youth, and I hope it opens the door to more social media scrutiny. People forget how relaxed life was before everyone could point a camera at someone and upload and embarass them in 10 seconds

"People forget how relaxed life was before everyone could point a camera at someone and upload and embarass them in 10 seconds" But that has been a thing since quite a while and unless you ban smartphones, won't go away. Not in general at least, but smartphone free areas (in school) are likely beneficial. On the other hand, we can also make it illegal and enforce it in an easy way to upload pictures of other people a…

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Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Post by shakna »

OhioMan2943 wrote: post #201
endgame wrote: post #199

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem with AU's U16 ban is that it's going to end up being a de facto real ID requirement for any Australian to communicate online. And also, how many of us on this site were able to learn and grow because they got online as teenagers and learned things? It would have been much, much better to regulate out the worst features of social media platforms for everyone than to pass a Bill that nobody knows how to imp…

I'm hoping it's a government or licensed third party provided anonymous token login system, or an email with a protected top level domain like anonymous@citizenverification.au or something. De facto id will be a massive step backwards, if they move forward despite saying they most likely wouldn't, but not as far backwards as raising a generation on reactionary and divisive social media

They have multiple times deployed not just insecure versions, but insecure protocols, for the system now known as myID. And when people have reported it as insecure - they did their best to ruin the person's life. Getting them fired, blacklisted, and worse.

In no possible future, do I foresee our government managing this as a "good thing".

Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Post by kelnos »

intended wrote: post #236
endgame wrote: post #199

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem with AU's U16 ban is that it's going to end up being a de facto real ID requirement for any Australian to communicate online. And also, how many of us on this site were able to learn and grow because they got online as teenagers and learned things? It would have been much, much better to regulate out the worst features of social media platforms for everyone than to pass a Bill that nobody knows how to imp…

The success rates for MOOCs is usually lower than 5%. MOOCs were the holy grail - free, Quality, any time, education. And it still had single digit pass rates. ———- The people who are self motivated to learn, are probably people who move entire fields forward. They are likely very happy while learning. It’s an important part of human survival and existence. We can and should optimize for it. We are going to waste ene…

I don't think the GP was talking about MOOCs, but self-directed, unstructured learning. My teenage years on the internet before MOOCs were a thing, and I learned plenty.
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