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Re: OpenAI whistleblower found dead in San Francisco apartment

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Post by kristiandupont »

konart wrote: post #189
consumer451 wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's very naive to believe in 'European press'. To get the idea check Ukrainian war coverage. What you'll see first is how single sided it is. This is such a wild take from my POV, a person in the EU. Have you considered the possibility that the nearest imperialist power beginning to violently invade Europe again is likely to trigger a common reaction? This is one of those rare cases in modern history where there i…

>This is one of those rare cases in modern history where there is a clear right vs. wrong. There is no right or wrong in politics.

Yes there is.

Re: OpenAI whistleblower found dead in San Francisco apartment

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Post by guerrilla »

BillFranklin wrote: post #60

There are some pretty callous comments on this thread. This is really sad. Suchir was just 26, and graduated from Berkeley 3 years ago. Here’s his personal site: https://suchir.net/ . I think he was pretty brave for standing up against what is generally perceived as an injustice being done by one of the biggest companies in the world, just a few years out of college. I’m not sure how many people in his position would…

> Before others post about the definition of whistleblower or talk about assassination theories just pause to consider whether, if in his position, you would that want that to be written about you or a friend.

You damn well better be trying to figure out what happened if I end up a dead whistleblower.

Re: OpenAI whistleblower found dead in San Francisco apartment

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Post by hulitu »

exceptione wrote: post #50
DevX101 wrote: post #20

Anyone who's a whistleblower should compile key docs and put it in a "dead man's switch" service that releases your testimony/docs to multiple news agencies in the event of your untimely demise. The company you're whistle blowing against and their major shareholders should know this exists. Also, regularly post public video attesting to you current mental state.

> multiple news agencies In the case of the US, you cannot make your selection wide enough. For optimal security, get it to both local news organizations and serious European press agencies. The US news media do not have independent editorial boards. Several titles are actually from the same house. Corporate ownership, and professionals going to the dark side via https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elite_capture are just s…

> serious European press agencies.

There are almost none left.

> The US news media do not have independent editorial boards.

The EU also don't. They are all penetrated by NGOs

Re: OpenAI whistleblower found dead in San Francisco apartment

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Post by hulitu »

pyuser583 wrote: post #207
exceptione wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> multiple news agencies In the case of the US, you cannot make your selection wide enough. For optimal security, get it to both local news organizations and serious European press agencies. The US news media do not have independent editorial boards. Several titles are actually from the same house. Corporate ownership, and professionals going to the dark side via https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elite_capture are just s…

American press is much more independent than European press. When WSJ broke the Elizabeth Holmes story, much ink was spilled showing how no European paper would take on a corporation strong government support. Looking at Europe, governments first instinct is to protect national favorites. European whistleblowers are likely to face defamation suits, something thankfully difficult in America.

> European whistleblowers are likely to face defamation suits, something thankfully difficult in America.

In US they will always find a "minor" who was "raped" 20 years ago. Or the whistleblower will suddenly commit suicide.

Re: OpenAI whistleblower found dead in San Francisco apartment

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Post by TowerTall »

pyuser583 wrote: post #207
exceptione wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> multiple news agencies In the case of the US, you cannot make your selection wide enough. For optimal security, get it to both local news organizations and serious European press agencies. The US news media do not have independent editorial boards. Several titles are actually from the same house. Corporate ownership, and professionals going to the dark side via https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elite_capture are just s…

American press is much more independent than European press. When WSJ broke the Elizabeth Holmes story, much ink was spilled showing how no European paper would take on a corporation strong government support. Looking at Europe, governments first instinct is to protect national favorites. European whistleblowers are likely to face defamation suits, something thankfully difficult in America.

Idenpendent from what or whom. Most American media is owned by a tiny handfull of people.

Re: OpenAI whistleblower found dead in San Francisco apartment

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Post by esperent »

pyuser583 wrote: post #207
exceptione wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> multiple news agencies In the case of the US, you cannot make your selection wide enough. For optimal security, get it to both local news organizations and serious European press agencies. The US news media do not have independent editorial boards. Several titles are actually from the same house. Corporate ownership, and professionals going to the dark side via https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elite_capture are just s…

American press is much more independent than European press. When WSJ broke the Elizabeth Holmes story, much ink was spilled showing how no European paper would take on a corporation strong government support. Looking at Europe, governments first instinct is to protect national favorites. European whistleblowers are likely to face defamation suits, something thankfully difficult in America.

> much ink was spilled showing how no European paper would take on a corporation strong government support

Could you provide some examples of this? I know it's possible in the UK to get a court order to prevent media coverage, but I didn't know that was the case in other European countries.

Re: OpenAI whistleblower found dead in San Francisco apartment

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Post by ballooney »

csomar wrote: post #156
BillFranklin wrote: post #60

There are some pretty callous comments on this thread. This is really sad. Suchir was just 26, and graduated from Berkeley 3 years ago. Here’s his personal site: https://suchir.net/ . I think he was pretty brave for standing up against what is generally perceived as an injustice being done by one of the biggest companies in the world, just a few years out of college. I’m not sure how many people in his position would…

> Before others post about the definition of whistleblower or talk about assassination theories just pause to consider whether, if in his position, you would that want that to be written about you or a friend. Yes, if I was a few months away from giving the court a statement and I "suicided" myself, I'd rather have people tribulate about how my death happened than expect to take the suicide account without much push.…

I don’t think you’re using the word tribulate correctly here.

Re: OpenAI whistleblower found dead in San Francisco apartment

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Post by red_trumpet »

bubaumba wrote: post #134
consumer451 wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's very naive to believe in 'European press'. To get the idea check Ukrainian war coverage. What you'll see first is how single sided it is. This is such a wild take from my POV, a person in the EU. Have you considered the possibility that the nearest imperialist power beginning to violently invade Europe again is likely to trigger a common reaction? This is one of those rare cases in modern history where there i…

I can explain a bit. Russians living in Empire of Evil can see all internet including US and EU news. At the same time 'Putin propaganda' channels are blocked in EU. In EU only one side is available. This creates an information bubble, as intended. Which is a basic crowd control technique used to drive public opinion. In this case to support the war. The result is obvious, EU polls show much stronger support than the…

> Russians living in Empire of Evil can see all internet including US and EU news.

That's just not true, e.g. Russia also blocked the German propaganda channel dw.com (Deutsche Welle).

Re: OpenAI whistleblower found dead in San Francisco apartment

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Post by kstenerud »

bubaumba wrote: post #134
consumer451 wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's very naive to believe in 'European press'. To get the idea check Ukrainian war coverage. What you'll see first is how single sided it is. This is such a wild take from my POV, a person in the EU. Have you considered the possibility that the nearest imperialist power beginning to violently invade Europe again is likely to trigger a common reaction? This is one of those rare cases in modern history where there i…

I can explain a bit. Russians living in Empire of Evil can see all internet including US and EU news. At the same time 'Putin propaganda' channels are blocked in EU. In EU only one side is available. This creates an information bubble, as intended. Which is a basic crowd control technique used to drive public opinion. In this case to support the war. The result is obvious, EU polls show much stronger support than the…

Doesn't seem to jibe with https://www.techspot.com/news/105929-russia-tests-cutting-it...

Re: OpenAI whistleblower found dead in San Francisco apartment

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Post by unraveller »

neuroelectron wrote: post #159
bpodgursky wrote: post #10

I'm confused by the term "whistleblower" here. Was anything actual released that wasn't publicly known? It seems like he just disagreed with whether it was "fair use" or not, and it was notable because he was at the company. But the facts were always known, OpenAI was training on public copyrighted text data. You could call him an objector, or internal critic or something.

The issue is it has to be proven in court. This man was personally responsible for developing web scraping; stealing data from likely copyrighted sources. He would have had communications specifically addressing the legality of his responsibilities, which he was openly questioning his superiors about.

Web scraping is legal and benefiting from published works is entirely the point, so long as you don't merely redistribute it.

Training on X doesn't run afoul of fair-use because it doesn't redistribute nor does using it simply publish a recitation (as Suchir suggested). Summoning an LLM is closer to the act of editing in a text editor than it is to republishing. His hang up was on how often the original works were being substituted for chatGPT, but like AI sports articles, overlap is to be expected for everything now. Even without web scraping in training it would be impossible to block every user intention to remake an article out of the magic "editor" - that's with no-use of the data not even fair-use.

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