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Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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Post by threeseed »

lxgr wrote: post #93
SiempreViernes wrote: post #18

I look forward to everybody completely missing the resolution to this mystery when it turns out it was something like a Danish sailing boat that got unlucky with their anchor...

How does the saying go? Once [1] is happenstance, twice [2] is coincidence, but thrice [3]... [1] https://www.reuters.com/markets/commodities/finnish-governme... [2] https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/sweden-says-telecom-cab... [3] https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/18/europe/undersea-cable-disrupt...

Also a Russian spy ship was escorted out of Irish waters a few days ago:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/nov/16/russian-spy-sh...

Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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Post by dragonwriter »

meiraleal wrote: post #65
tetrisgm wrote: post #60

The constant Russian interference, combined with the regular escalation from the jets patrolling, and the radar jamming, really needs to be dealt with. We're stuck between having to do timid actions and full NATO escalation. This feels like constant creep.

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> You know, NATO reason to exists is to unite a front against Russia

That’s not what NATO says: “NATO’s essential and enduring purpose is to safeguard the freedom and security of all its members. It does this through political and military means, ensuring the collective defence of all Allies, against all threats, from all directions. [...] NATO strives to secure a lasting peace in Europe and North America, based on its member countries’ common values of individual liberty, democracy, human rights and the rule of law.”

https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_68144.htm

Furthermore, I would suggest that the history of actual NATO action, particularly since “Russia” came back into existence as a sovereign entity not under the umbrella of the USSR, is more consistent with the offically-stated purpose than “to unite a front against Russia.”

It's true that in the last decade or so Russia has become, as the USSR had been for most of NATO’s existence, the primary threat to NATO’s purpose.

Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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Post by sofixa »

zelon88 wrote: post #168
jjeaff wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

while outages definitely cause big problems in hospitals and schools, neither are completely dependent on connectivity in the short term. most hospitals are required to be able to operate critical services in an outage. even a full power outage. Schools will definitely be fine. they just may have a serious backlog of entering grades, absences, and payroll once things get back online.

> once things get back online. That would be like trying to cold start a power plant without any power. I think you're missing my point. I'm trying to point out that there are 3 "infrastructure providers" that our economy CANNOT live without. In a world war situation, these 3 organizations are going to be the biggest targets. They are literally our crown jewels. They will be under continuous attack from all angles. A…

> If WW3 starts, we will lose Azure, AWS, and GCP within 5 days and it will be more or less completely destroyed within 30 days. They won't survive concerted attacks from nation state actors during war time.

The same probably applies to moist mainstream (public) datacenters. Only ones that will be safe-ish would be something like Scaleway's underground nuclear bunker/datacenter.

Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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Post by aguaviva »

meiraleal wrote: post #65
tetrisgm wrote: post #60

The constant Russian interference, combined with the regular escalation from the jets patrolling, and the radar jamming, really needs to be dealt with. We're stuck between having to do timid actions and full NATO escalation. This feels like constant creep.

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Maybe if you guys really think you are much better than Russia that it has no rights to fight back

Which absolutely no one thinks.

Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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Post by SauciestGNU »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #160
jiggawatts wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trump now controls all of them. He said he has a mandate . I really don’t know what you’re talking about when he or his party control the governors, congress, the senate, the presidency, and the Supreme Court. America is about to speedrun some things and you won’t like it.

> Trump now controls all of them No, he doesn't. The GOP narrowly controls the House and Senate, and Trump has strong influence over them. That doesn't mean he controls them. And that's before we get to the states and lower courts.

The courts are effectively captured at every level, because Trump can scribble a writ of cert on a McDonald's napkin and SCOTUS will grant cert and provide the desired outcome. The playbook across the country will be the same, mark my words. The fascists will file motions for changes of venue out of state courts with integrity and into captured federal courts.

Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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Post by pitaj »

toss1 wrote: post #5

Substantial Russian activity also near UK, raises concerns that Russia would cut off UK. [0] Russian ships ‘plotting sabotage in the North Sea’ [1] [0] https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/uk-undersea-... [1] https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russia-ships...

Are there not cables run through the Channel Tunnel? Seems like a no-brainer.

Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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Post by s1artibartfast »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #188
johnisgood wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which happened and kept happening for a long time now, including the US sending billions of dollars and weapons (among other things). That did not help, did it?

> Which happened and kept happening for a long time now We've been drip feeding and hand tying Ukraine. Practically every military expert has said this is not the way to win a war.

No, but it's a good way to put some fear in our NATO allies and it is a good way to waste a bunch of Russian resources.

Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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Post by fuoqi »

aguaviva wrote: post #230
fuoqi wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The West was actively supplying Ukraine since 2014, especially after the Debaltsevo embarrassment. Yes, it pales in comparison to the post 2022 levels, but it still was far from insignificant. Even your Wikipedia link lists a lot of pre-2022 aid and I am pretty sure this page is far from being comprehensive. And it's even without mentioning the direct role of Boris Johnson in tanking the Istanbul accords.

The direct role of Boris Johnson in tanking the Istanbul accords. Which is a myth - oft repeated, but with precisely zero substance. See also: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41813032

Zero substance? It was reported by Ukrainska Pravda (and Ukraine is far from being famous for its freedom of press) not by some Russian propaganda outlet. It's the same as saying that WSJ citing "sources" has zero substance.

Regardless, you can believe that the West did not provide any assurance to Ukraine during the Istanbul talks and that Russia has blown its own pipeline. It's your right.

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