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Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Post by peutetre »

hagbard_c wrote: post #188
notyourwork wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Am I the only one that is not excited about the next four years being constant banter of this nature? I loathe it. Nothing personal against your comment but the new administration hasn't even gone into office and I cannot get away from this.

You are not alone in this sentiment. It is beyond the pale that the denizens of a 'hacker forum' are often so narrow-minded when it comes to engaging those who think outside of the personal zone of ideological preference. The same people who have been yammering about the importance of 'diversity' are dead set against diversity of opinion. Grow up, folks, get outside your comfort zone and engage some of those deplorab…

> engage some of those deplorables, irredeemables, garbage, rednecks, hillbillies and bible thumpers instead of howling along with the masses

You are aware that no one in this thread has called anyone deplorable, irredeemable, garbage, a redneck, a hillbilly, or a bible thumper, right?

Your aggrievement and imagined slights is precisely how people like Trump and Musk manipulate you. And apparently the manipulation works really well.

Trump is not your retribution. Trump doesn't care about America. Trump doesn't care about Americans. Trump only cares about himself.

Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Post by ccorcos »

samatman wrote: post #143
altairprime wrote: post #51

The linked study is better: https://www.iseecars.com/most-dangerous-cars-study#v=2024

> “Most of these vehicles received excellent safety ratings, performing well in crash tests at the IIHS and NHTSA, so it’s not a vehicle design issue,” said Brauer. “The models on this list likely reflect a combination of driver behavior and driving conditions, leading to increased crashes and fatalities.” Quoting what's easily the most important passage in that study. The two Teslas on the list are the Model Y, righ…

It’s hard to to be cynical about the intentions of the authors of the original article after seeing this…

Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Post by aziaziazi »

jvanderbot wrote: post #206
aziaziazi wrote: post #195

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> essential controls Can’t you drive a Tesla without it? I expect the screen was for radio, gps, AC… I agree those are distracting through.

Rent a Tesla and try to adjust the mirrors while driving I dare you. Less difficult but much more common: Change the radio station / music. Change the climate control. Both of those require taking your eyes off the road and navigating through multiple touch screen-only modal windows. I have owned one for years and it is a distraction factory.

I get it but Climate and Music can wait right? It’s a vehicle not an entertainment room. And adjusting mirors while driving seems crazy and dangerous!! changing something that supposed to be set before departure?

At least that’s what taught at driving school and written in texts I guess… too sad the distraction factory is so dangerous. I wouldn’t drive that.

Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Post by ChildOfChaos »

notyourwork wrote: post #117
Koala_ice wrote: post #14

I thoroughyl expect the Deparment of Government Efficiency to recommend U.S. Fatality Analysis Reporting System (FARS) be shut down to save previous taxpayer dollars.

Am I the only one that is not excited about the next four years being constant banter of this nature? I loathe it. Nothing personal against your comment but the new administration hasn't even gone into office and I cannot get away from this.

As a non-american watching the election, this was one of the reasons I didn't want the result to be the way it went. Just for having to hear about it constantly from everywhere.

Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Post by axus »

notyourwork wrote: post #117
Koala_ice wrote: post #14

I thoroughyl expect the Deparment of Government Efficiency to recommend U.S. Fatality Analysis Reporting System (FARS) be shut down to save previous taxpayer dollars.

Am I the only one that is not excited about the next four years being constant banter of this nature? I loathe it. Nothing personal against your comment but the new administration hasn't even gone into office and I cannot get away from this.

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Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Post by stbullard »

Misleading/clickbait “journalism”:

* The FARS data is “normalized” by unpublished internal iSeeCars estimates of miles driven; the underlying “study” is a marketing blog post for their company.

* FARS data distinguishes between driver and occupant fatalities - the “study” looks only at occupant fatalities, which is not what most people would reasonably expect given the headline.

* One might reasonably suspect Tesla’s long history of touting 5-star safety ratings and advanced safety tech could lead to passengers being lulled into a false sense of security, and being less likely to use seatbelts.

Driver fatalities and seatbelt use are right there in the FARS data - one wonders why these weren’t considered and incorporated in the “study”.

Anyhow, a note to the HN user: don’t upvote FUD-sowing headlines based on blog posts about unscientific “studies” that are really just submarine PR; they carry none of the credibility of the underlying studies, and are a disservice to the scientists and public servants who rigorously and faithfully collect and analyze this data.

HN used to be better than this…

Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Post by bena »

bastloing wrote: post #116
Gigachad wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trees are anchored to the ground. Being heavier just reduces your ability to stop.

Decreases your tendency to flip over. I'm astonished by all the dashcam videos out there showing collisions, usually the first thing an ice car does is flip over. Not EVs though.

That's more a factor of weight distribution rather than weight itself.

EVs carry their weight lower to the ground. SUVs and pickup trucks are more top heavy. Passenger cars have a higher probability to rollover, but not that much greater than an EV.

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Post by Mountain_Skies »

hagbard_c wrote: post #188
notyourwork wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Am I the only one that is not excited about the next four years being constant banter of this nature? I loathe it. Nothing personal against your comment but the new administration hasn't even gone into office and I cannot get away from this.

You are not alone in this sentiment. It is beyond the pale that the denizens of a 'hacker forum' are often so narrow-minded when it comes to engaging those who think outside of the personal zone of ideological preference. The same people who have been yammering about the importance of 'diversity' are dead set against diversity of opinion. Grow up, folks, get outside your comfort zone and engage some of those deplorab…

Hacker News' eventual death started the moment it joined the hysteria over the Lab Leak Theory. Since then it has trended more and more to be like Reddit, with ideological tribal concerns occupying an increasingly large mindshare. This drives away people who want to have earnest conversations in good faith, giving even more power to the ideologues. It will be a long death spiral but you can see it happening day by day.

Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Post by JasonSage »

rich_sasha wrote: post #216
jkaptur wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think they meant that it's more difficult to stop before beginning to impact the tree.

Still. If I'm going to hit a tree, I'd rather drive a tank than a motorbike.

Cars have crumple zones which a motorbike does not.

A lighter car requires less work from the crumple zone to decelerate the car into non-fatal territory than a heavy car.

Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Post by Chance-Device »

ithkuil wrote: post #211
zer8k wrote: post #159

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Unfortunately complex systems cannot be fixed by simply going full forward in the opposite direction of a bad direction. And yet we not only want to revert any decision that was made that we think correlates with an unhappy situation, we also want to choose people who are as different as possible from the guys we think are responsible for the unwanted status quo. So if the current politicians are serious people who t…

> Unfortunately complex systems cannot be fixed by simply going full forward in the opposite direction of a bad direction.

Tell that to gradient descent.

(Though the step sizes are a bit shorter than four years)

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