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Re: IronCalc – Open-Source Spreadsheet Engine

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Post by mmooss »

Nathanba wrote: post #218
mmooss wrote: post #195

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What basis do you have to say that? Otherwise, these claims are just bytes with no force behind them. You can see the overwhelming evidence and consensus otherwise, stretching over centuries! Even more, why do you want it to be true? Why do people want to eliminate their own and others human rights, an incredibly positive basis for society and for your freedom and prosperity, which has resulted in what are by far the…

Words have a fairly precise dictionary meaning and it's important not to constantly wage a word war where you want to win political and social arguments through word redefinitions. It's information pollution, you redefine words like "love", "equality", "freedom", "democracy" until they mean something completely different and suddenly you have a divided population that can't even talk to each other anymore because all…

It's not a redefinition. I just showed you definitions centuries old. These things are universally associated with democracy, except by dictators and their supporters who try to redefine them.

Re: IronCalc – Open-Source Spreadsheet Engine

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Post by Nathanba »

mmooss wrote: post #231
Nathanba wrote: post #218

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Words have a fairly precise dictionary meaning and it's important not to constantly wage a word war where you want to win political and social arguments through word redefinitions. It's information pollution, you redefine words like "love", "equality", "freedom", "democracy" until they mean something completely different and suddenly you have a divided population that can't even talk to each other anymore because all…

It's not a redefinition. I just showed you definitions centuries old. These things are universally associated with democracy, except by dictators and their supporters who try to redefine them.

Yes, "associated with". But it is not part of the definition of the word. I don't know how much clearer anybody could make this. Democracy just means voting, it does not even mean that everyone gets to vote and certainly not equally. Even if you don't like it and even if you want that to be included in the word definition, that doesn't make it so.

Re: IronCalc – Open-Source Spreadsheet Engine

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Post by usr1106 »

7bit wrote: post #185
usr1106 wrote: post #141

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I think it's the general idea that free (as in speech) software is "democratic". Even if the project does not do what you want you can always modify or fork, i.e. make changes privately for your own use or even distribute them. Closed source software is like totalitarianism, the leader or leading party knows what is best for you. Democracy is not the best analogy, free software projects have BDFLs. The difference is…

99,9999999% of the people using open-Source software are absolutely unable to modify or fork said software. From the other 0,00000000% most don't care enought to modify it. Calling it democratic is is like calling cancer a completely natural phenomenon. It's true, but it's also completely beside the point

So what? Coming back to the poor analogy of democracy, the same fraction of voters could not run a government. The majority has never participated in any public manifestation.That does not mean we should all live under dictatorship.

Re: IronCalc – Open-Source Spreadsheet Engine

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Post by epmoyer »

I love it!

- I think you should add a CHANGELOG.md, so people can see progress/features evolve (https://keepachangelog.com/en/1.1.0/)

- I think you should report the rev somewhere. I can’t tell what the “current rev” is in GitHub or in the running demo.

- The roadmap says what’s coming in 0.5 (October 2024), but it’s not clear whether 0.5 is “done” or if that’s what’s running on the demo site today.

IronCalc would be awesome as an “embedded viewer” for data. I’m currently implementing an internal web app where I’d love to provide “monitoring” by just dumping a whole lot of transactional data from the db into a “live” IronCalc spreadsheet as a “view” tool that you could also do some data exploration in.

The 0.5 roadmap says “API to set and read values from cells” but it’s not clear to me whether it would be possible or not to embed it today and inject data at “start” time from JS. The scope of the current docs is “using it as a spreadsheet” but they don’t cover “how to embed it / integrate it”.

Love love LOVE! Would embed it TODAY as a data viewer could. :) Nice work! I am watching with bated breath!

Re: IronCalc – Open-Source Spreadsheet Engine

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Post by nhatcher »

epmoyer wrote: post #234

I love it! - I think you should add a CHANGELOG.md, so people can see progress/features evolve ( https://keepachangelog.com/en/1.1.0/ ) - I think you should report the rev somewhere. I can’t tell what the “current rev” is in GitHub or in the running demo. - The roadmap says what’s coming in 0.5 (October 2024), but it’s not clear whether 0.5 is “done” or if that’s what’s running on the demo site today. IronCalc would…

Hi epmoyer. First things first, thanks!! Second, the project hit HN before I could actually release MVP version 0.5. But heck you know what they say about being proud of your product at the time of release.

I will be working in coming weeks to make it easy to embed and use at the time being you would need a bit of plumbing and programming.

You can use IronCalc as an "embedded viewer" but that is not were it shines. If you are not using Excel formulas there are many other lighter and simpler alternatives out there.

There is currently a well defined API to set/read values from cells but you are right is not yet documented (on it's way). I is possible to have data from the start.

I will add a CHANGELOG as soon as possible. I am still recovering from the huge impact this thread had.

Thanks again for the kind words!

Re: IronCalc – Open-Source Spreadsheet Engine

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Post by epmoyer »

nhatcher wrote: post #235
epmoyer wrote: post #234

I love it! - I think you should add a CHANGELOG.md, so people can see progress/features evolve ( https://keepachangelog.com/en/1.1.0/ ) - I think you should report the rev somewhere. I can’t tell what the “current rev” is in GitHub or in the running demo. - The roadmap says what’s coming in 0.5 (October 2024), but it’s not clear whether 0.5 is “done” or if that’s what’s running on the demo site today. IronCalc would…

Hi epmoyer. First things first, thanks!! Second, the project hit HN before I could actually release MVP version 0.5. But heck you know what they say about being proud of your product at the time of release. I will be working in coming weeks to make it easy to embed and use at the time being you would need a bit of plumbing and programming. You can use IronCalc as an "embedded viewer" but that is not were it shines. I…

Awesome! Yeah, I had an OpenSource Hardware project blow up on a tech site overnight before I was ready to launch and it was really weird navigating the next ~two months before it was actually ready to ship.

I'm excited to follow along with your progress, and to embed it into something fun when it's ready for embedding :)

Thanks for adding the changelog today! That will make it super easy for everyone to follow the progress.

Cheers!

Re: IronCalc – Open-Source Spreadsheet Engine

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Post by [deleted] »

Nathanba wrote: post #95
mmooss wrote: post #91

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'Democratization' IME usually refers to the foundation of democracy, equality in rights, freedom, and opportunity. It's something for the masses, for the people.

Yes I know what the word is being used these days for but it doesn't make sense. Democracy does not inherently have anything to do with these additional (also vague) terms.

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