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Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by ryandrake »

dijit wrote: post #128
epolanski wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You just reminded me of how stupid the plug beneath the MM was...You never needed to charge it, till you needed it and couldn't use the mouse.

There are so many legitimate reasons to hate the magic mouse. Ergonimics, the polling rate, the way the glass gets greasy, the scratchy hard plastic on the bottom. Truly, inferior to the Logitech MX Master in all ways except looks. (which is subjective). But it takes literally a few seconds to get a days worth of charge out of the mouse, Apple clearly don't want you to leave it plugged in to use as a wired mouse: why…

The ergonomics were absolutely terrible. I now find using any mouse painful, to the point where I've replaced all of my computer pointing devices with trackpads. I blame the pain on a long history of Magic Mouse usage.

Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by _yb2s »

tosh wrote: post #9

Accessories are updated to USB-C instead of Lightning

I see lots of people in this thread mentioning this, but am confused. I've never seen a lighting port on an Apple computer- only on iphones and ipads, and the cables that come with those are USB-C on the other end. Haven't all Apple computer accessories been USB-C for almost a decade now?

Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by lapcat »

alberth wrote: post #8

I'm glad to see Nano-Texture coming to their budget line. That was definitely unexpected.

Hopefully they'll add an option for the M4 MacBook Pro too.

I've been waiting 15 years for Apple to reintroduce a matte display to the MacBook Pro.

Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by Suppafly »

goosedragons wrote: post #181
dijit wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are so many legitimate reasons to hate the magic mouse. Ergonimics, the polling rate, the way the glass gets greasy, the scratchy hard plastic on the bottom. Truly, inferior to the Logitech MX Master in all ways except looks. (which is subjective). But it takes literally a few seconds to get a days worth of charge out of the mouse, Apple clearly don't want you to leave it plugged in to use as a wired mouse: why…

The only reason they don't let you charge it is because it's a recycled design of the MM1 which used disposable batteries. The Magic Keyboard and Trackpad which came out the exact same day both let you use it plugged in and charging, even wired! The Magic Mouse shell was just not designed with a cord in mind at all. I have personally been in meeting where my boss forgot to charge her magic mouse and we had to wait tw…

>The only reason they don't let you charge it is because it's a recycled design of the MM1 which used disposable batteries.

But they've done incremental updates to the design since, they could have easily fixed that by now.

Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by jprd »

I love the innovation Apple has brought with their investment in ARM. That said, I can't imagine buying a computer in the 21st century that can't be opened and upgraded, especially with a price premium attached. I just don't get it.

I am in no way trying to be combative, but I'd love to hear a counterpoint that makes sense for these machines.

Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by skeaker »

015a wrote: post #214
simonw wrote: post #144

As someone who mucks around with running LLMs and other large models on my computer the 32GB maximum RAM is a show-stopper for me. I'm on a M2 with 64GB at the moment and I'm already regretting not going for 96 or even 128. I want to be able to run a large model AND other apps at the same time.

We should do a "Most HackerNews HackerNews Comment Of The Year" award each year; in homage to the O.G. [1]. I'd like to nominate this comment. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9224

I agree with the premise but this isn't a great nomination, I think saying "this device won't appeal to the niche LLM gadgetry crowd" is valid in this case since yeah, it won't.

Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by wtallis »

angoragoats wrote: post #213
bee_rider wrote: post #165

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Isn’t Apple’s RAM inside CPU package? I think it might not be possible to put together a system (at least with consumer parts) that matches their memory bandwidth. On the other hand, they are limited in capacity. It is a trade off, it is silly to pretend they are just limiting memory capacity out of the vileness of their hearts or something.

> Isn’t Apple’s RAM inside CPU package? No, but their marketing department would like you to think so. > It is silly to pretend they are just limiting memory capacity out of the vileness of their hearts or something. They are limiting memory capacity and charging you 8x-10x reasonable retail price for upgrades, so that their profit margins stay high. Whether or not that's vile is something I leave to you to decide.

> No, but their marketing department would like you to think so.

Can you link to a teardown that finds RAM somewhere other than the CPU package?

Or were you in too much of a hurry to notice that the comment you replied to didn't make the common mistake of claiming the RAM is on-die not just on-package?

Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by andrewmcwatters »

bsimpson wrote: post #197
fourfour3 wrote: post #143

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I've got one of the LG Ultrafine 5K monitors paired with a modern M1 Max macbook and it's a nice combination. Expensive, but I adore the pixel density considering I spend all day staring at text :) I'd be seriously tempted by an iMac if it had M4 Pro + a 27" 5K display. I just don't feel it's likely as they'll probably see it as cannibalising Mac Studio + Studio Display sales.

The Studio Display is priced as if it's an iMac. It's insane that we've had retina displays for over a decade, and Apple still seems to be more-or-less the only game in town for a 5k 27" display.

I will never purchase the Studio Display on principle. It's an idiot product.

Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by cududa »

klodolph wrote: post #156
simonw wrote: post #144

As someone who mucks around with running LLMs and other large models on my computer the 32GB maximum RAM is a show-stopper for me. I'm on a M2 with 64GB at the moment and I'm already regretting not going for 96 or even 128. I want to be able to run a large model AND other apps at the same time.

Sure, but to be honest, I don’t think you should be shipping a high-spec computer with a built-in screen. Anything high-spec should be broken into at least a separate screen and computer. The screen is such a major point of failure. I’ve seen so many iMacs and MacBooks with broken screens where the end solution is to replace the entire device, which is a waste. It’s that much more of a waste if you are getting a high…

Great. But plenty of consumers disagree with you, which is why this product exists.

Not everything you see is designed to be useful for you specifically

Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by notatoad »

kbolino wrote: post #122
hggigg wrote: post #102

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Very easy. You sell it on eBay and buy a Logitech MX Master.

Does the Logitech MX Master come with a driver that overcomes Apple's "unintentional" hobbling of non-Magic mice?

i use an MX master on my mac and it works great? in what way is it supposedly hobbled?
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