WP Engine calls itself the worlds #1 wordpress hosting (with over 1.5m clients), but they aren't even in the top 10 material contributors to wordpress. Although they have pledged to support wordpress development, is is only to the tune of 40 hours a week. Their pledge is miniscule given their usage of wordpress and isn't even in the top 25 pledges made. It seems they were called out on this, and told to resolve it or…
WP Engine sent “cease and desist” letter to Automattic
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#233Earlier quoted context omitted.
Matt admitted on reddit that he asked for 8% of annual revenue or ~40 million. https://www.reddit.com/r/Wordpress/comments/1fnz0h6/comment/... He posted this after receiving the C&D.
Notably, Matt demanded that would need to be paid to Automattic instead of the WordPress Foundation. (that's according to WPEngine). Automattic is Matt's private, for-profit company and a direct competitor to WPE.
> They had the option to license the WordPress trademark for 8% of their revenue, which could be delivered either as payments, people (Five for the Future .org commitments), or any combination of the above.
So they could have "paid" by just hiring a few WordPress devs to work on it. That is: not necessarily by transferring dollars to Automattic.
IMHO this is an important bit of nuance missing in this thread.
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#234WordPress, out of the box, if you throw even a portion of traffic that you would expect form a large media site at it, will fall over.
We modified WordPress, took advantage of all the hooks, basically rewrote the post authoring and search system and introduced caching and databases on top of the default MySQL, such as ElasticSearch for content storage and searching content. We also had a network level CDN in front of it at all times.
By the end of it all, what we had was not fully WordPress anymore.
You'll find that alot of organisations doing WordPress are doing similar things.
Re: WP Engine sent “cease and desist” letter to Automattic
#235Earlier quoted context omitted.
Notably, Matt demanded that would need to be paid to Automattic instead of the WordPress Foundation. (that's according to WPEngine). Automattic is Matt's private, for-profit company and a direct competitor to WPE.
That's because Matt's Foundation gave Matt's Automattic the exclusive commercial trademark license. https://x.com/photomatt/status/1838671002529665394
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#236> Automattic CEO and WordPress co-creator Matt Mullenweg unleashed a scathing attack on a rival firm this week, calling WP Engine a “cancer to WordPress.” In my experience, WordPress itself could be called a Cancer to the Web. The amount of new clients I've picked up who needed help rescuing broken and malware ridden WordPress sites is... well, it's more than I'd like as I really do not enjoy WordPress LOL
What "broken and malware ridden WordPress site" typically means is "customer installed a bunch of random plugins from random sites written by teenagers or bozos who don't know what they're doing". And yes, that can screw things up, but that's not really WordPress's fault IMHO.
Maybe it can do more to protect users from this; I don't know. But obviously the plugin ecosystem is a hugely important part of the WordPress platform and you can't just lock that down technically. Just make sure you only install plugins from authors who aren't teenagers or bozos.
I'll add that personally I don't especially like WordPress for various reasons. But at the same time I don't think this is really a fair criticism.
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#237Just as an observation this reminds me of the dynamic that other open-source software distributors are tasked with defending. Let's say you were distributing a browser, let's call it Firefox. You might have a corporation and a nonprofit and call them the Mozilla Corporation and the Mozilla Foundation. Maybe in this scenario you would allow certain commercial uses of your registered trademarks so that the software cou…
I don't think any of those issues you raised passes the bar. ffxsource.. no. The most trusted build. no many people build their own and it could be trusted more because someone is testing the official build and making changes and ensuring it works. The most trust Firefox Tech company is accurate. It implies many firefox tech companies exist and they are the best one.
[0] https://www.redhat.com/en/about/trademark-guidelines-and-pol...
[1] http://modeltrademarkguidelines.org/index.php/Model_Trademar...
Re: WP Engine sent “cease and desist” letter to Automattic
#238Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why?
Because he's never litigated a case in court.
Not a cop out, the people filing the CD felt this was enough to move forward with
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#239Earlier quoted context omitted.
"Abuse of position" is not generally an actionable claim.
Unfair competition is, particularly in California, which interprets it's UCL very broadly. Let's set aside all other claims (there are others), and take a look at "Unlawful, Unfair, and Fraudulent Business Acts" under that. We'll also throw out unlawful business acts (I don't see anything unlawful so far). Unfair: "An “unfair” business act or practice, as defined by the UCL, is typically committed by either a company…
I can't speak to the veracity of the facts presented in WP Engine's C&D letter, but my reading of it is they're accusing the head of the WordPress Foundation, in his official capacity, of putting the interests of his for-profit company ahead of the non-profit's stated mission to "ensure free access, in perpetuity, to the software projects."[0] That's the sort of thing that could threaten the foundation's 501(c)3 status, or in extreme cases lead to criminal charges.
Re: WP Engine sent “cease and desist” letter to Automattic
#240Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's because Matt's Foundation gave Matt's Automattic the exclusive commercial trademark license. https://x.com/photomatt/status/1838671002529665394
Matt gave away the software he invented and founded a commercial venture to monetize his efforts despite this. Automattic originally registered the trademarks. Years later they donated them to the foundation, to make the marks available for noncommercial use and limited commercial use. In the process Automattic retained the exclusive commercial license to the marks.