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Starting today, YouTube is almost unusable on Firefox

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Re: Starting today, YouTube is almost unusable on Firefox

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Post by positr0n »

miah_ wrote: post #100
IncreasePosts wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also, it is Firefox on the desktop. 90% of YouTube views come from mobile, and Firefox only has about 5% market share on the desktop. So desktop Firefox is a half a percent of the overall users of youtube. Is it any surprise that maintaining support for a browser that delivers less than a percent of the total users is deprioritized or just forgotten about?

Despite those stats, if Google wants to avoid being called a monopoly they need to support it, and it needs to receive the same level of support as their own product.

I'd argue the opposite. You need to be a monopoly and have basically every eyeball in the country on your website for it to be worth spending the engineering hours optimizing a browser that only delivers a fraction of a percent of your viewers.

Re: Starting today, YouTube is almost unusable on Firefox

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Post by supermatt »

sunaookami wrote: post #88
supermatt wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you reported it to them? I have nothing but praise for the EC on the way they have handled the few complaints I have registered regarding such things.

I complained about Chrome Web Store but they said it's not a gateekeper even though everything applies... They aren't very competent it seems

I wholeheartedly disagree. Just because you think they meet the criteria doesn't make it true. What are the metrics on chrome web store usage that make you believe it meets the criteria? The figures I can see mentioned online would reflect only a minority of chrome users even using plugins.

I dont disagree with your thoughts on the chrome web store being unfair and anticompetitive, but the DMA is VERY specific in its reach. You can still approach them with complaints unrelated to the DMA of course - but if your complaint was "they should be a gatekeeper", then you will likely be out of luck.

Re: Starting today, YouTube is almost unusable on Firefox

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Post by chippiewill »

zelias wrote: post #32

going by Hanlon's Razor, i would guess that this is merely the result of an engineering update that nobody bothered to QA on Firefox rather than a malicious attack on a single browser that isn't _really_ winning market share let's not assume Google malice is _too_ competent

The idea that Youtube wouldn't QA test on Firefox is ludicrous.

Yes, it's not a massive browser share these days, but it's basically the only major browser left that doesn't share any lineage for the rendering engine.

I agree it'll be incompetence, but they'll definitely have Firefox QA testing.

Re: Starting today, YouTube is almost unusable on Firefox

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Post by rldjbpin »

if it is indeed an intended user experience, then i expect non-chrome users to only prosper by either paying for premium or by turning to browser extensions to improve youtube.

i'd wager that those choosing to installing firefox are more likely to go to this route themselves.

Re: Starting today, YouTube is almost unusable on Firefox

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Post by tempaccount420 »

bArray wrote: post #139

There seems to be two bugs here, one that YouTube seems to have regressed on a popular browser choice, but also that Firefox allows any website to claim enough resources to make the entire browser inoperable.

Everyone is talking about Google breaking something, but what if this is something Firefox has to fix? If it works in Chrome and not Firefox, it should be a browser bug, not website bug.

Re: Starting today, YouTube is almost unusable on Firefox

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Post by nojvek »

PaulHoule wrote: post #113
neilv wrote: post #103

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Since YouTube has massive resources and famed tooling&processes, presumably either they knew about the Firefox problems before deploying, or (if there was a genuine QA mistake) they'd know about it very soon after deploy, when they'd be able to rollback if they wanted to. (Obviously, they know about Firefox, they've developed for it since it was available, and they've even been funding it.)

Google funding Firefox is part of the problem. It contributes to the perception of corruption around the Mozilla organization, just as it does when the bus has a supergraphic ad for a car dealership on it. If the EU was serious about privacy they'd fully fund Firefox.

Why would EU fund a US corporation?

Re: Starting today, YouTube is almost unusable on Firefox

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Post by lenkite »

mozempthrowaway wrote: post #211
lenkite wrote: post #208

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Sorry, it is absolutely hard-core malice. No hinting, after we found out last year that a deliberate sleep was introduced with a user agent check. This is bald-faced murder. Its like shooting someone in public and stomping on the body. No need to dance around it. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38345858

You should actually read the link you posted. That had nothing to do with Firefox and has everything to do with ad blockers. Looks like YouTubes goal was to bring parity between those using ad blockers and those not, as to not incentivize ad blocker usage, not to cripple Firefox.

And ? It is part of the anti-adblocker code which is clearly targeted at Firefox. What sort of extra-ordinary bar are you keeping for malice if not this ?

Re: Starting today, YouTube is almost unusable on Firefox

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Post by markus_zhang »

nilsherzig wrote: post #155
markus_zhang wrote: post #45

On a side note, I have been reflecting on the impact of modern Internet contents on me for the last 12 years or so. The conclusion is, for whatever the reason, the impact is mostly negative. It would do me a great favor to simply remove Youtube, social media sites and anything similar from my life. I probably have ADHD. I rarely completed any side projects. I'm anxious most if the time, biting my fingers all the time…

I can recommend leechblock a lot. It allows you to block websites using Regex and some time based rules. You could for example block reddit from 0800 to 1900 but still open individual posts you found while using a search engine. For me (I have ADHD, but I don't think that makes the difference in this case) that's the perfect balance between usability and avoiding endless scrolling.

Thanks. I'll give it a try. Right now I probably need to fix my flooding basement and my mood first. I kinda don't want to do anything after work.
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