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Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by iscoelho »

souvlakee wrote: post #202
felurx wrote: post #171

Not directly related to the arrest, but to Durov: His Telegram channel is somewhat odd. It's a mix of what you'd expect (updates / general stuff about Telegram), some slightly weird stuff (highly praising countries he visited or talking about his oh-so-high-quality sperm and how he's the biological father of "over 100" kids), and then there's just shilling for some random watch-ads-to-get-coins things or whatever tha…

He's an interesting but odd man. It's rare to see him fully dressed on his Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/durov . I expected him to remove his clothes during Carlson's interview, but he didn't.

It definitely takes effort to stay that fit. Nothing wrong with being proud of the way you look (:

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by wkat4242 »

mrinfinitiesx wrote: post #181

While on the subject of Telegram, check this out: https://github.com/simplex-chat

"100% private" claims always make me incredibly suspicious since it is impossible to achieve that. Security is a matter of threat modeling against an expected adversary and nothing protects against a serious interest from a state level actor.

This is why I don't really care that Telegram doesn't do E2EE by default. Most of my chats aren't that interesting and in my threat model it's good enough.

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by DAGdug »

roomey wrote: post #108
chad1n wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

EU has been complaining about Telegram's end-to-end encryption for a long time and they want to implement some regulations to basically add backdoors into all messaging apps. I don't really see how this case will go on since at least private chats are encrypted so Telegram (theoretically at least) can't see the contents.

Here's the thing, all the politicians use WhatsApp. They actually don't want that backdoored, guaranteed.

Yep, classic backdoor for thee, but not for me!

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Post by lolinder »

perihelions wrote: post #229
lolinder wrote: post #204

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Otherwise known as the flame war detector, which does a decent job of keeping flame wars off the front page but occasionally has to be fixed by a mod when it kicks in incorrectly. Moderation is hard, and HN actually does a pretty good job all things considered. Edit: it's already back.

It pains me to agree, but this is quite right: for every important developing story that gets erased like this, there's like 500 nonsense flamewars that guaranteed you don't want to read, that get erased by the same heuristic. It's genuinely tuned well. (I'll never agree with HN's title-editing bot though. That thing's cray).

Hah, agreed on the title editing bot.

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by vizzah »

walterbell wrote: post #148
vizzah wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Private chats are a hassle to initiate and not multi-device. Most use normal chats. With anonymous accounts, using anonymous +888 numbers, whose price has increased from $16 to $1000+ in a matter of a year, it is indeed a very convenient playground for all sorts of activities.

In which countries are the vendors of anonymous numbers located?

There are no vendors, Telegram issues those numbers. So it's basically a pass to create account w/o mobile number requirement, if you're ready to pay for it.

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Post by codedokode »

EduardoBautista wrote: post #75
chad1n wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

EU has been complaining about Telegram's end-to-end encryption for a long time and they want to implement some regulations to basically add backdoors into all messaging apps. I don't really see how this case will go on since at least private chats are encrypted so Telegram (theoretically at least) can't see the contents.

Are they going to arrest Zuckerberg and Tim Cook next for the encryption in WhatsApp and iMessage?

They are US citizens, nobody dares to arrest them (except for Russia and North Korea).

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by zerodensity »

CactusOnFire wrote: post #76
gtvwill wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But here's the thing. If your app is known to be uses heavily by criminals ranging from Pedo's to drug dealers. You are liable. You run a carrier service. Much like the owner of omegle found out, yes you do have a duty of care. You can't just provide a service that knowingly provides a platform to criminal activity and do jack shit. You live in fairytale land if you think you can.

By that logic, any app that provides privacy from governments spying is a criminal enterprise.

Well I mean in many countries, blocking the surveillance agency from listening in on your calls/texts/chats is illegal. So making an app that interferes with the agencies ability to "listen in" is infact a criminal enterprise.

Don't have to like it but the law is the law.

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by seszett »

IncandescentGas wrote: post #133
gtvwill wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well of you provide a service and it's knowingly used by criminals and you just implement features to benefit the criminal activity but make no effort to curb it. Yes, your an accomplice.

Would you arrest a road worker because the highway onramp they just repaved was used by bank robbers to flee the scene of the crime?

To get the analogy straight, they would definitely arrest the CEO of the roadworks company if the road was letting robbers through but hindering law enforcement and the CEO was refusing to make the changes legally asked of them to mitigate the problem, yes.

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by heraldgeezer »

EU themselves recommend Signal. That is even stronger as it is end-to-end encrypted by default.

https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-commission-to-staff-switc...

>The European Commission has told its staff to start using Signal, an end-to-end-encrypted messaging app, in a push to increase the security of its communications.

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by codedokode »

vizzah wrote: post #85
chad1n wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

EU has been complaining about Telegram's end-to-end encryption for a long time and they want to implement some regulations to basically add backdoors into all messaging apps. I don't really see how this case will go on since at least private chats are encrypted so Telegram (theoretically at least) can't see the contents.

Private chats are a hassle to initiate and not multi-device. Most use normal chats. With anonymous accounts, using anonymous +888 numbers, whose price has increased from $16 to $1000+ in a matter of a year, it is indeed a very convenient playground for all sorts of activities.

Aren't open source apps like Jabber or Element which do not require a phone number and allow to host your own server, a much better playground?
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