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Post by tyree731 »

throwaway_j12 wrote: post #211
questhimay wrote: post #186

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Doesn't this seem at odds with the facts? China isn't militarily supporting Russia or Ukraine. Ukraine's drone army is built from cheap Chinese drones. China is neutral. The argument that it hasn't sanctioned Russia means it is a party to the war on Russia's side is an argument of the form "if you aren't with us, you are against us." But then, you'd think the US would levy the same kind of vitriol at e.g. India. Chin…

> China is neutral.

Neutrality in the face of gross violations of international law amounts to tacit support. And yes, I understand that you have addressed this point in your comment, but whataboutism gets us nowhere. If a country is violating human rights, they should be held accountable.

> Taiwan and China are recognized by the United States by international treaty as one country.

A treaty not worth the paper it's written on. It's clear that the United States would defend Taiwan militarily were it to come to that, so mentioning as a reason to punish China that China continues to provoke Taiwan militarily is very relevant.

> The reason for this is the US sees China's economic rise as a threat to its global position.

Ahh yes, of course, this war being entirely the US' fault.

Re: DJI ban passes the House and moves on to the Senate

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Post by mrtksn »

influx wrote: post #230
mrtksn wrote: post #208

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It's a meme on Twitter, essentially libertarians are pushing the idea that EU killed its tech industry through heavy reagulation and by tech they mean online advertisement. They keep posting graphs of market capitalisation claiming that Europe must be failing because doesn't have speculative public trading stocks. There's also the top-list theme, making list of top-10 companies by market cap, claiming that if your co…

What's the counter examples to highlight Europe's tech successes? Skype? Nokia? Soundcloud? Spotify?

Define success. If it's high stock market cap calculated by multiplying the number of shares with the last trade price Europe doesn't have many of those.

Re: DJI ban passes the House and moves on to the Senate

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Post by danem »

stavros wrote: post #155
nkrisc wrote: post #76

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Oh, those pesky consumers getting in the way of the innovation of the free market with their protections. If only they could be fully exploited for maximum value extraction without interference.

That's exactly what I think when I read one of these "EU stifles innovation" comments. It sounds to me like the equivalent of not wanting socialized healthcare because "the poors" might get it, not caring about the fact that you're the one who will benefit. This is the "everyone in the US is a temporarily embarrassed millionaire" of consumer rights. Everyone in the US is a temporarily embarrassed capitalist overlord.

The resistance to socialized healthcare in America can be easily understood without resorting to bizarre strawmen about hating poor people. Healthcare is of course a huge part of our economy and lives. Many (most?) people are satisfied with the status quo and are hesitant to see (what they consider to be) a huge increase in government power, spending, and general involvement in their lives. It's the same impulse that motivates people to oppose new housing -- people are loss averse and hate change.

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Post by mightyham »

questhimay wrote: post #196
danielspace23 wrote: post #162

It's interesting to see how the reactions differ between here and the articles on the ban on TikTok. And some even thought that the users who wrote to their government representatives were bots! Whenever the US bans or sanctions something, that impacts people, whether it's drone nerds or teens looking at silly videos. It just so happens that most people here seem to be outside of the TikTok target demographic, so we…

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>I didn't expect Hacker news users to not understand the DJI ban, and that China and all its companies are driven by a dictator that is actively supporting a war on free world.

For someone who claims to be aware of geopolitics it's funny that you are basically just repeating a state department talking point. China has not infringed on other countries' sovereignty to even a fraction of the extent that the "free world" has. And it seems you don't believe that China has the right to govern it's own affairs using a system different from your own.

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Post by surfingdino »

svachalek wrote: post #53
empath75 wrote: post #31

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It's definitely economic protectionism but it's mostly protectionism for national security reasons. I assume the US is going to start manufacturing drones for war in large numbers in the near term and they need to be made at home (or at least by allies).

This seems likely. For those that haven't been following the war in Ukraine, now that all the Cold War munitions have been mostly used up, drones are now the primary weapon of both sides due to literal "bang per buck". It seems clear that drones are the 21st century weapon of choice.

> It seems clear that drones are the 21st century weapon of choice.

Only for targeted attacks. The Russian way of prosecuting war is still a shower of shells, rockets, and a mob with guns. Drones are retail, Russians do wholesale.

Re: DJI ban passes the House and moves on to the Senate

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Post by stavros »

danem wrote: post #234
stavros wrote: post #155

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That's exactly what I think when I read one of these "EU stifles innovation" comments. It sounds to me like the equivalent of not wanting socialized healthcare because "the poors" might get it, not caring about the fact that you're the one who will benefit. This is the "everyone in the US is a temporarily embarrassed millionaire" of consumer rights. Everyone in the US is a temporarily embarrassed capitalist overlord.

The resistance to socialized healthcare in America can be easily understood without resorting to bizarre strawmen about hating poor people. Healthcare is of course a huge part of our economy and lives. Many (most?) people are satisfied with the status quo and are hesitant to see (what they consider to be) a huge increase in government power, spending, and general involvement in their lives. It's the same impulse that…

Will it be a huge increase in spending? Isn't it estimated to reduce costs by a lot?

Re: DJI ban passes the House and moves on to the Senate

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Post by cyrillite »

henvic wrote: post #28

DJI is, by far, the best drone equipment brand for photography, industrial usage, etc. It's disheartening to witness the US embracing protectionism for high-tech. If the United States does this, it might as well join the European Union's decadence in killing tech startups by stifling the competitiveness of their market...

I’ve just been considering getting into drone photography. Do you have any opinions or resources to share?

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Post by redserk »

klipklop wrote: post #216
Tepix wrote: post #78

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Those drones will be built for war, how are they competing with DJI who refuses to let their drones be used for war?

Except you can totally use a DJI drone for war. I saw a video the other day of such a drone modified to drop airsoft grenades. Does not take much to replace it with the real thing.

Might as well just shut down and ban all RC hobby shops because RC Airplanes can carry heavier payloads than all of DJI's consumer/prosumer lines -- and are much easier to modify.

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Post by jpgvm »

jasonsb wrote: post #40
langsoul-com wrote: post #33

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Worked with Huawei. Look at the smartphone market pre and post Huawei ban, immediate crater.

I'm sorry, but what exactly happen after Huawei ban?

They are probably referring to the period where Huawei struggled to even ship a device because of sanctions applied to them that made it impossible to source components.

Once these were overcome they have bounced back and are looking stronger than ever, their revenue has now risen above the pre-sanctions peak.

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