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Post by spacebanana7 » Wed, May 29, 2024, 2:04 PM UTC

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Also it’s unlikely Kagi will ever become big enough for SEO people to specifically target with manipulative content. Even if they got 100 million active paying users it’d still be a tiny fraction of overall search traffic.

If anything, Kagi has proven that Googles "SEO ruined it" argument isn't valid. In the beginning, Kagi was mostly just API calls to Google and Bing AFAIK. Their results were still better for some reason, probably because they didn't have to consider how valuable the ads on garbage site were before throwing the site out of my results.

Post by dustincoates » Wed, May 29, 2024, 2:20 PM UTC

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I like Kagi a lot (just look at my comment history), but I'm letting my subscription lapse when it comes time to renew. I've found myself going to Google a lot more often, and I'm finding more and more transparently spammy sites in the Kagin index. Some, for example, are clearly Gen AI created. If I were a rich man, I would probably keep my subscription just to support a Google competitor. Alas, I'm not, and so I'll…

I see your point. I was not always this well paid. Did you try blocking the problematic sites and if it didn't work, did you file support requests?

Post by orangevelcro » Wed, May 29, 2024, 2:22 PM UTC

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Kagi is worth the money, but it isn't magic. It's about as good as Google was ~five years ago, before they made all the search operators stop work. There's also a whole bunch of things it's worse at that Google - especially local search and shopping. Plus I still get plenty of blogspam and AI generated crap from Kagi.

The search operators makes big difference in result quality, I also don’t like how Google now returns zero results for something obscure. In the past I could find something peripheral and eventually get to what I was looking for.

Post by staticman2 » Wed, May 29, 2024, 2:31 PM UTC

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There's a lot to unpack here... Can you expand on how a card catalog improved the world? As a kid I used the card catalog a lot, both the physical version and the later electronic versions. Full text search definitely leads to pulling in information from a wider selection of sources. I remember a lot of stratification of news sources pre-Google (which news channel you watched, which papers/magazines you read). Did Go…

> how a card catalog improved the world i was lamenting the library recently and remembered how books were organized on shelves using the dewey decimal system this meant that if you knew of one book that has something you're looking for, you can find all the _other_ books about the same topic right next to the first book, even if you knew nothing about the contents of the related books

Post by glitchc » Wed, May 29, 2024, 2:43 PM UTC

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ads eat everything else Well duh. Because it's the only value you're allowed to collect from retail customers without having to deal with either chargebacks or kyc. We've deliberately made every other form of micropayment infeasible. It shouldn't be surprising that the only one left is insanely popular.

Partly. But also because it's just a way to make more money. If you make X from payments, and you can make Y from ads, then X+Y > X. You might lose some people, but probably not many - we've been conditioned to really accept ads everywhere.