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Re: When do we stop finding new music?

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Post by ImaCake »

Thegn wrote: post #224

One problem I've run into with the music services is with older styles. For example, I'm specifically into black musicians from the 1930s-1950s who played swing style music. I have yet to find a service that actually will play more than 2-3 songs in that style before deciding that what I really want to hear is rat pack or swing by white musicians. No matter how much I thumbs down it, I get Glenn Miller/Frank Sinatra/…

The technical reason for this is just that the algorithm fails to distinguish between these two groups. Probably its just a hard problem to solve from a sample of what people listen to. I suspect a significant fraction of people that like black swing also like white swing and that results in the algorithm being unable to resolve that there are two features there and not one.

You really need a level of manual curation that a big data statistical model just can't provided at scale.

Re: When do we stop finding new music?

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Post by karl_gluck »

dools wrote: post #209
thom wrote: post #206

I listened to a lot of Apple Music recommendations while getting my three kids to sleep over the years. I would say that in my 40s I’m discovering more new music, and music I genuinely love, than I did in all my teens. I don’t get to go to a lot of gigs, but I go to one big festival a year and it’s the bands in a tiny font that I get excited about. Yeah most stuff is shit, but there’s just so much of everything.

Yeah I'm more open minded now than I was when I was younger. All my taste seems to stem from the same roots (for example I like a wide variety of electronic music but the common thread is sounds and/or harmonies rooted in funk/soul/jazz/blues) but when I was a teenager I was only interested in rap music.

Any recommendations?

Re: When do we stop finding new music?

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Post by [deleted] »

lapcat wrote: post #168

I find it interesting that GenZ and Millennials show a much smaller preference for their own decade's music. https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_pr... The 1980s are still doing quite well among all but the oldest generation. Is it possible that music may actually be getting worse? Corporatized, consolidated, computerized. Look at Hollywood now too: everything is a sequel, prequel, remake, reboot…

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Re: When do we stop finding new music?

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Post by omar_alt »

I find this argument interesting though I have found that the same Jungle music I listened to in the 90s is now cutting edge again similar to around 2007 when 80s Italo House was considered the most stylish and hippest thing to listen to.

Re: When do we stop finding new music?

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Post by wrs »

I think my new music discovery slowed down because the music distribution system stopped propagating metadata. I discovered a lot of new music by looking at the back of the album cover or CD case and following the threads. Who else has this producer or session musician worked with? Who actually was the songwriter and what else have they done? What other albums are on this label? Now none of that is discoverable from streaming. It's just primary artist and song title--every track is just an isolated data unit apparently not even made by people.

Re: When do we stop finding new music?

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Post by 082349872349872 »

swozey wrote: post #31
nkotov wrote: post #3

I loved this article. I have about 4k songs saved in my "liked" playlist on Spotify, majority of them were from when I was 20 to 24, then it tapered off a lot. I turned 30 this year and I still like to discover new music but not as much as I did in my early 20s.

I like to go through my Liked songs list that's probably 10+ years old on Spotify and it's basically like a journal of my life. I'll see months where I clearly started dating a new person, incorporated their new-to-me music into my playlists, then when I start to see Lord Huron etc I'm probably going through another breakup. Then glowing up which for me is usually a metal/hardcore/rap 3-6 months in the gym until I me…

> it's basically like a journal of my life.

From the artist side, apparently during Fleetwood Mac's heyday they were getting up on stage and basically singing about how horrible their relationships with each other were. Whether that's "money for nothing" or "suffering for your art" I'll leave to the band members to say, but Wikipedia notes:

> In 1976, the band was suffering from severe stress. With success came the end of John and Christine McVie's marriage, as well as Buckingham and Nicks's long-term romantic relationship. Fleetwood, meanwhile, was in the midst of divorce proceedings from his wife, Jenny, and had also begun an affair with Nicks. The pressure on Fleetwood Mac to release a successful follow-up album, combined with their new-found wealth, led to creative and personal tensions which were allegedly fuelled by high consumption of drugs and alcohol.

Nothing like a musical star to provide a good corn king/wicker man sacrifice on behalf of society...

Re: When do we stop finding new music?

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Post by totetsu »

Thegn wrote: post #224

One problem I've run into with the music services is with older styles. For example, I'm specifically into black musicians from the 1930s-1950s who played swing style music. I have yet to find a service that actually will play more than 2-3 songs in that style before deciding that what I really want to hear is rat pack or swing by white musicians. No matter how much I thumbs down it, I get Glenn Miller/Frank Sinatra/…

Last FM and music neighbors could have solved this.

Re: When do we stop finding new music?

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Post by notesinthefield »

ericwood wrote: post #228
thenewwazoo wrote: post #222

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You’ve described Pandora.

It’s been a decade at least since I heavily used Pandora but I remember it being even worse than Spotify at this. The algorithm seemed to latch on to one or two tracks from any given artist and they’d continue popping up no matter how I trained it. Great as a discovery tool for artists I guess, but as endless radio Spotify does a way better job at least trying to reach into back catalogs and including more than one o…

2 of my favorite Pandora stations have turned into a mix of the artist’s discog and I suspect it only happened because I liked too many of their songs in the same day. The variety is better in terms of similar artists but I cant say I find much new music this way.

Re: When do we stop finding new music?

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Post by 082349872349872 »

llsf wrote: post #159

Funny, when I was maybe 10yo, I got scared when I realized that given the number of notes is finite, the number of different melodies would be too, and so we would have one day to put new lyrics on old melodies.

or even "ancient" lyrics on old melodies? Μα Τον Δια: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5fA6dTnyrE

(come to think of it, putting new lyrics to old melodies is much of what cabaret is about)

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