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Covid infections are causing IQ drops and years of brain aging, studies suggest

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Re: Covid infections are causing IQ drops and years of brain aging, studies suggest

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The tests themselves are misleading. If I do one sober, I have an IQ of 110, if I do it with my ADHD meds, it goes up to 120. Is that because the meds make me smarter? No, it's because I don't lose attention after 10 minutes of test and can concentrate until the end. However, the numbers imply otherwise.

One could argue that concentration is an aspect of intelligence.

It isn't though, but both intelligence and concentration are necessary for actual performance. Intelligence is only a potential.

Re: Covid infections are causing IQ drops and years of brain aging, studies suggest

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Mortality of productive population 15-44 still rising after 2021 in EU. https://euromomo.eu

Thank you for the link. Currently the pooled deaths 15-44 are reported as below the long term 1,600 baseline ( https://euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps/ ). Regardless, I'm not sure if you have a point here that connects vaccination to significant numbers adverse after effects.

There are many studies (1) monitoring side effects of vaccines. Of course it is one, not only, reason of increased mortality.

(1) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39772059

Re: Covid infections are causing IQ drops and years of brain aging, studies suggest

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One could argue that concentration is an aspect of intelligence.

It isn't though, but both intelligence and concentration are necessary for actual performance . Intelligence is only a potential.

Concentration is an aspect of applied intelligence. To take an IQ test is to measure applied intelligence.

Re: Covid infections are causing IQ drops and years of brain aging, studies suggest

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I got diagnosed for ADHD in 2021 and nobody asked me to do an IQ test. In fact, no one has ever asked me to do one in my entire life. Your anecdote is not data. Also makes no sense whatsoever as ADHD does not affect IQ in any form. It's a form of dopamine dysregulation, not a learning disability. Let's stop perpetuating this stupid myth.

It does affect concentration and if an IQ test goes on for long enough and is not interesting enough to warrant some kind of hyperfocus, I get distracted. And so my IQ score will be worse. Or not? I have ADHD and it doesn't make me dumber, but since focus is a critical part of thinking, it does make it harder if I'm not interested. I'd rather say that IQ tests are designed for neurotypical people.

I have ADHD and I do great on IQ tests, each question is a little thing to answer, I move quickly through them and get a quick dopamine hit. If there is something difficult then I can get stuck there and thrown off my rhythm, but this seldom happens.

Re: Covid infections are causing IQ drops and years of brain aging, studies suggest

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I do not think IQ tests are meant or designed to measure effects from illness. We do not say that IQ drops when you are sick with the flu and have high fever that makes it hard to think. IQ does not drop when you wake up groggy in the morning up until you drink coffee. I am not sure why people use IQ here instead of referring specifically to brain fog and other symptoms of post-COVID infection. IQ does not drop when…

The tests themselves are misleading. If I do one sober, I have an IQ of 110, if I do it with my ADHD meds, it goes up to 120. Is that because the meds make me smarter? No, it's because I don't lose attention after 10 minutes of test and can concentrate until the end. However, the numbers imply otherwise.

> Is that because the meds make me smarter?

At some level, IQ tests measure your ability to take IQ tests. So it would make sense that your measured IQ would go up when you're on ADHD meds, since those will obviously have an effect on your ability to take IQ tests.

Re: Covid infections are causing IQ drops and years of brain aging, studies suggest

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Unless you're teleporting or living there, getting from home to the office normally involves at least some exposure to sunlight.

Working from home doesn't mean you are forced or even have any incentive to stay at home all day long.

OK but the OP didn't say all people get vitamin D deficiency from working at home, they were only describing their own experience.

Re: Covid infections are causing IQ drops and years of brain aging, studies suggest

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My wife has postcovid and this is a profound effect. Yesterday she tried to add up a series of numbers by heart, and she simply couldn’t. For context, she’s pretty mathy and used to mock me for taking out a calculator or a spreadsheet for stuff like that. She also forgets everything, which is another thing she used to be great at. It’s pretty confronting, especially now that the idea that maybe this isn’t temporary i…

My wife who is more than 2 years sick with Long/Post Covid, lost almost everything because of it, her body and her brain. She had almost perfect memory and spoke 5 languages fluently by the age of 30 while learning Chinese as a 6th. She had a promising career in the medicine field and was also quite a good painter and other crafts (not famous though). We were hiking regularly to very high mountains and doing a lot of activities.

Now she spends most of the day in bed and the rest on the sofa and she can’t barely do anything, only crochet… maybe some cooking. Not even watch movies that have too much action, so she is watching black and white series now to have something to do without getting cognitively burnout. She lost her memory, her capacity to think, she has chronic fatigue and many other weird symptoms like easily getting senses overwhelmed by simple noises or smells.

We went to a lot of doctors, tried a few “remedies” from small scientific studies and internet: metformin, nicotine, lidocaine, multiple supplements and vitamins, some antivirals and many other things. Nobody is able to help her and most of doctors don’t even try to help or know anything about this new and growing condition.

Of course always the “psychosomatic” smart ass appears, but there are enough proofs already to tell them to shut up. Even the NIH director mentioned viral persistence found body tissues in a recent talk [1].

At least the awareness is growing and there are s lot of studies going on. So still some hope, but it won’t come fast.

[1] https://x.com/californiacodes/status/1780099073468764415

Re: Covid infections are causing IQ drops and years of brain aging, studies suggest

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Im not sure how anyone could still belive in factcheckers that claims previously that vaccination gives immunity to virus or that there are no side effects from vaccination even though we have plenty studies that monitor it quite precisely. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39772059

And I'm not sure how anyone can be a conspiracy theorist and honestly believe that all governments and regulatory agencies all over the world try to hide some grand conspiracy about vaccine efficacy and safety, but here we are. >vaccination gives immunity to virus or that there are no side effects from vaccination Who claims that? Nobody does or did. This is a familiar tactic: shifting the goalposts from vaccinations…

Most factchecker refers to CDC, that claimed:

Fully vaccinated people can: -Visit with other fully vaccinated people indoors without wearing masks or physical distancing -Visit with unvaccinated people from a single household who are at low risk for severe COVID-19 disease indoors without wearing masks or physical distancing -Refrain from quarantine and testing following a known exposure if asymptomatic

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https://web.archive.org/web/20210310000819/https://www.cdc.g...

Calling someone, who have different experience and opinions, supported by studies as conspiracy theorist shows, how ignorant about this topic you are.

Re: Covid infections are causing IQ drops and years of brain aging, studies suggest

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The title is misleading, at least on the IQ claim. The underlying study was observational and did not claim causation. Medical journals and their associated media summaries are awash with low-certainty studies that get de-nuanced and overhyped. These studies are relatively easy to do - not to denigrate the work put in by the original study authors (it’s not their fault the press sensationalize their work). But for st…

That's why the most important element in science is replication - direct (repeating the same experiment) and indirect (refining the original experiment, or testing for the opposite result, or an alternative - here we could test reflexes instead of IQ). And here there is already a lot of replication for several years - plus direct observation of bleeding into the brain. https://www.tcd.ie/news_events/articles/2024/tri…

Good study design trumps replication. If you construct a shitty misleading study and everybody jumps on the hype train to replicate you've netted negative on the replication axis.

Re: Covid infections are causing IQ drops and years of brain aging, studies suggest

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Weather impact on mood and energy is unbelievable, at least in myself. Also, if that can help, contrary to my previous beliefs, light therapy is no bullshit. I thought it was another pseudo science but studies are in fact proving that it’s incredibly effective (but it’s pretty inconvenient to incorporate in your habits).

what sort of light therapy have you found beneficial? Like blue light in the eyes or red light on the skin?

I use a Beurer TL30
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