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Brain waves appear to wash out waste during sleep in mice

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Re: Brain waves appear to wash out waste during sleep in mice

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If you have any doubts about sleep quantity and quality, worth reading about the glymphatic nervous system, which is so newly discovered likely you didn’t learn about it in school. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4636982/ In short it explains, mechanistically, why poor sleep affects daily cognition, mental health, and age-related declines. Robust scientific theories explain more of the evidence. The glym…

It makes me sad as my SO struggles a lot with sleep. It's been years since she's had a good nights sleep. Sadly her issues are mostly psychologically rooted due to past trauma, while all the treatments seem to be geared towards "simple" physical issues. She's tried contacting various sleep clinics here and they've all said they can't help. She struggles a lot with falling asleep, she's exceptionally sensitive to soun…

If she falls a sleep then can she have the expected sleep length when not interrupted?

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Yeah, that’s right. I had it once before I knew it was a thing and could see, hear, feel, but not move. Quite terrifying at the time, even if it resolved pretty rapidly.

I've been trying to induce it willingly for around a decade at this point. Same for lucid dreaming. Haven't really managed to do either one, not sure if I am capable of it either. Oh well.

All my odd dream/sleep experiences came as a teenager, got every one at least once, lucid dreams I had several times, also night terrors, and sleep paralysis. Nothing since then.

Re: Brain waves appear to wash out waste during sleep in mice

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I wonder if this state could be ultrasonically induced to have a "sleep helmet" which can calm and align rhythmic waves? and induce an artificial flush or "power nap" -- Well, thats basically the trope of every Cybernetic design, with the connectors comming out the back of head/spine... Like a continual wash which keeps you in this suspended hyper-aware, but calm, rested and focused mental state. This is why cyborgs…

Have you seen the video on hn a couple of weeks ago about the scientist using ultrasound to halt the progression of Alzheimer’s and to treat addiction? Most fascinating video I’ve seen in a long time. Edit: If you haven’t seen it yet, I highly recommend checking it out https://youtu.be/7BGtVJ3lBdE

Looking into this So I built out CyberKnife building at ECH in 2009...

and was just thinking about the vid you had, and how they are using the ultrasound intersections "at the blood brain barrier

Where exactly is this intersection occurring?

Is it poking a hole in something for the plaque to 'flow through' via the cereberal flush?

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Ah I have my answer::

The transiant gap created by FUS will last a few hours...

So - here is where a few LLM ideas come to mind - as the gap allows for the flow of the enzymes through for a bit before they heal - what is the optimal location for placing the FUS pulses?

How many FUS pulses required to create the gap is unclear, as is exactly how long it takes for the enzyme flush - however, there is currently (mostly?) single point systems, but multi-point systems are being tested. What would be interesting to determine is if there could be a spatial pattern for placing the gaps, assuming you have a multi-point FUS system, imagine creating (N) FUS gaps simultaniously in a pattern which followed the natural flow of the enzyme flush - such that if the cereberal flush is flowing in a clockwise fashion - openening FUS gaps in accordance with the direction and timing of the enzyme flush's frequency. directed flow FUS animation.

It seems you dont have to explicitly open a gap with a FUS pulse - so can "massage" behavior such that you can direct flow? I guess only depending on the frequency with which you can aim and fire FUS pulses - but if you have multiple FUS sources? you can 'kite' the flow in...

which reinforces this: "In the context of Alzheimer’s disease, post-FUS tracer enhancement phenomena suggest the existence of a brain-wide perivenous fluid efflux pathway in humans4. This could potentially facilitate the drainage of harmful substances

I wonder what the energy consumption per pulse, how many pulses per gap, how many gaps per hour.

https://www.elcaminohealth.org/news/el-camino-hospital-purch...

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But what would be really interesting is the marriage of a multi point FUS system layered on top of a cyberknife where as the cyberknife uses xrays to track the position of the prostate in order to determing the location of the point its 'knifing' - if you can massage points into position using FUS - maybe a multi-point FUS can hold a prostates target in position in sync with the cyberknifes 'knifing' and validation via xrays?

-- ala:

Focused Ultrasound (FUS) and the Blood-Brain Barrier (BBB): FUS has been shown to disrupt the BBB in a noninvasive, safe, and targeted manner1. The mechanical effects of FUS, namely cavitation, are thought to be the principle cause behind this BBB disruption1. This method of BBB disruption – FUS with microbubbles – has had very promising results1.

CyberKnife and Prostate Treatment: The CyberKnife System uses advanced technologies to track tumors anywhere in the body, while its unique robotic design keeps the radiation on target even while the tumor moves2. Before delivering the radiation beam, the CyberKnife System verifies the exact tumor position then adjusts the robot to precisely target the tumor2. This system is particularly effective for treating prostate cancer345.

Potential Combination of FUS and CyberKnife: In theory, a multi-point FUS system could potentially be used to “hold” a prostate target in position, working in sync with the CyberKnife’s tracking and ‘knifing’. This could potentially enhance the precision of the treatment, as the FUS system could help ensure the prostate remains in the optimal position for the CyberKnife treatment.

Re: Brain waves appear to wash out waste during sleep in mice

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We've investigated ketamine treatment, which does indeed sound very interesting. However very few clinics here that offer it, though it seems to have improved recently. Definitely will follow up on this.

You just need one clinic there that offers it. Why is the relative number relevant?

Few clinics means limited number of openings.

Re: Brain waves appear to wash out waste during sleep in mice

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It makes me sad as my SO struggles a lot with sleep. It's been years since she's had a good nights sleep. Sadly her issues are mostly psychologically rooted due to past trauma, while all the treatments seem to be geared towards "simple" physical issues. She's tried contacting various sleep clinics here and they've all said they can't help. She struggles a lot with falling asleep, she's exceptionally sensitive to soun…

If she falls a sleep then can she have the expected sleep length when not interrupted?

Seldom. Usually if she's not interrupted the nightmares show up and ruins the night.

I got one of those Garmin activity trackers. After using it for a while, she tried it.

I know they ain't perfect but there's a very stark contrast between her and me, using the same tracker. It'll show me getting typically 4-5 hours of deep sleep when I have a good night. With her it's typically an hour tops, often less than 30 minutes.

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i mean if you are consuming daily in the evenings you will develop a high tolerance

As someone with a tolerance, I've learned that consuming too close to bedtime will cause me to have difficulty falling asleep, and also not enter REM sleep. However, by consuming throughout the day on a daily basis but stopping by late afternoon or early evening, my sleep and dreaming is vastly improved.

This was how I functioned before I intentionally dropped my tolerance down to very low levels. With a lower tolerance I can enjoy the ganj as a nightcap and have all my dreams :)

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Is Nature’s open access fee really that crazy? Last time I checked it was a few thousand dollars. And it’s paid once, to make the whole thing open perpetually. It certainly seems better than having the people interested in reading it pay $30-40 each. Of course, this is also based on the few times I’ve heard researchers talk about the ways they could spend their grant money. $2k to Nature sounds like a great deal by c…

Yes, I wouldn't expect someone to pay a few thousand dollars to Nature when PubMed will do the same job for free. I think the role of academic journals is decreasing as open and tech-savvy solutions to information sharing and screening are being deployed.

Depends, PubMed will happily take any article. I know for a fact that Nature does it’s own independent review of whatever is published (or did, years ago anyway). It’s not a guarantee of course, there’s been enough instances of review failure even in Nature, but it’s not the same as free access.

Ultimately what you are paying for is curation.

Re: Brain waves appear to wash out waste during sleep in mice

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I deliberately didn't use the word "see" when phrasing my response. I used the word observed because it was an observation, not a seeing. And I'm not describing a flow of vague amorphous whitish material, I know what you're talking about and I'm not describing that. I tried to observe the phenomena yesterday again and couldn't observe it but it was very specifically this in the past: spherical orbs of white light exp…

I didn't mean to put you on the defensive. I used the word "perceive" in response to your comment, and only used "see" for the description of my personal observations. I didn't downvote it, but I wasn't sure I understood your first comment. Others might have also been confused. Anyway, it's all fascinating to me. I am inadequately schooled to know what is a novel observation, but when I hear experts talk the common t…

No problem, you didn't put me on the defensive, I was making the down vote comment in general, not to you.

Re: Brain waves appear to wash out waste during sleep in mice

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Not yet. It's not legal here yet, though recently it's softening up. But we've talked about it, though mostly to reduce her anxiety. If it can help with nightmares as well, then would indeed be quite interesting.

+1 to this. As a long time cannabis user who is quite skeptical of many of the purported health benefits, this is one I’m not at all skeptical about. It’s actually just the other side of the coin of the degraded short/mid term memory that is a well known downside of habitual cannabis use. But as someone with frequent, vivid nightmares when I’m sober, I can attest that cannabis effectively blocks my ability to remembe…

I'm also a long time cannabis user and can't remember dreams at all with THC in my system. I'll vape/smoke/eat edibles daily for weeks or months at a time, then stop cold turkey. A few days after I stop, my dreams become super clear and vivid, and I remember most of the dream in great detail for days. This happens almost every night for the next week or 2 after stopping. It always happens every time I stop. Been doing this for years and I always look forward to stopping cold turkey so I can have those super vivid dreams.

I really enjoy the experience, but granted, none of the dreams were nightmares. I wonder if this happens to other people, and how badly it could affect people who use cannabis to suppress recurring nightmares.

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Promethazine (1) helps some people, myself included (UK Sominex). And occasionally, phenibut. (1) https://www.inhousepharmacy.vu/p-1189-phenergan-tablets-25mg...

Promethazine the Proud! Flamer of Flames! Gayest of Gallopers!!! Sounds like the name of a Centaur Character in any D&D style game.

You had "Phenibut" right there and you went with Promethazine?
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