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Mass timber is great, but it will not solve the housing shortage

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Re: Mass timber is great, but it will not solve the housing shortage

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I don't want to live next to a huge building, so I selected a town where that was not allowed. So don't tell me changing this is a win win for me. It isn't.

I suppose you didn't buy the entire town, so you can't preclude your neighbors from wanting their property to appreciate, their lives to become more social, and their environment to change.

The neighbors collectively agreed to the previous zoning. Now some outside body is forcing that to change.

Re: Mass timber is great, but it will not solve the housing shortage

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If there is one industry that is the most resistant to change, it's the construction industry. There are still people who have been roofing for 50 years and refuse to change a single thing they do and learned 50 years ago. Saying a bunch of glulam will solve the issue is just incorrect. Wood is fantastic material. But using half a forest to build a 2000sqft house is certainly not the direction we should be going, we…

> it's the construction industry.

Any industry that warranties it's work. They're far less likely to take on new and disruptive technologies if there's no guarantee they're going to be supported for the necessary amount of time.

> we should be finding ways to build with 1/2 the amount of wood we currently use.

Different houses have different requirements. Some roofs see snow, others don't. Some roofs see hurricane winds, others don't.

Re: Mass timber is great, but it will not solve the housing shortage

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Exactly this. We should be giving people incentives to move the Midwest where there is affordable housing. Not everyone can live on the coasts. Here in California, the infrastructure has not kept up with the population increases. As a result, houses are being built in areas that were previously wilderness and now we have fires burning through entire towns.

San Francisco, the densest city in the state, is 3/4 suburbia. There's no reason why it couldn't host 4 times the population without resorting to Hong Kong style urbanism (which would be great IMO, but that's a separate story). The infrastructure argument would make sense if homes in remote areas didn't also need that infrastructure, while suffering from lower efficiency in all measures.

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Re: Mass timber is great, but it will not solve the housing shortage

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Oh, I believe it. That's great! I don't mind that people who want to live like that CAN live like that if they can afford it. But it should not be the ONLY way people can live. Right now our laws prevent us from building affordable and livable homes like I mentioned above. Only the richest get to live in such communities.

> Right now our laws prevent us from building affordable and livable homes Which laws are those?

To Start: Zoning laws, land use restrictions, parking minimums, property covenants and restrictions, traffic flow requirements, and minimum offsets.

Re: Mass timber is great, but it will not solve the housing shortage

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Every single major population center that has distorted (high) housing costs relative to income, also has very strong protections for the existing home owners (NIMBY). "There are no coincidences..." The solution is terrifyingly simple: don't allow existing residents to block new housing developments. If they don't like it, they can move. This will probably never happen in the U.S., because the government no longer fu…

You seem to be coming from the perspective that people who don't live in a place should have more say over the nature of that place than those who do live there. To put it in your terms, why does it make more sense to tell existing residents "your place has to change and you can move if you don't like it" vs channel the new residents to other places where more housing is available and is available cheaper.

Which government? Your block? street? school district? Transit district? region? state? country? Even then, a country that needs immigrants to operate?

Even then in a town here, most of the electrorate is renters, but most people who actually vote are homeowners.

And a public library district found it better to "protect themselves" with a card fee for non-residents rather than open access to all state residents (like nearly all other public libraries around them, and like the state financially encourages.)

So yes, it makes sense for the voters to have only so much power and influence. Sometimes it would be nice if someone in that pile concerned themselves with a longer term vision than "my lawn, right now". And that doesn't mean their political hobby either.

Re: Mass timber is great, but it will not solve the housing shortage

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post #213

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I know it's hard to believe that many people are simply happier living in their own single family home and have little desire for the urban lifestyle.

Oh, I believe it. That's great! I don't mind that people who want to live like that CAN live like that if they can afford it. But it should not be the ONLY way people can live. Right now our laws prevent us from building affordable and livable homes like I mentioned above. Only the richest get to live in such communities.

Plus, if the choice is going to be between great family homes for some + terrible quality ultra-expensive appartements for most, or decent reasonably priced appartements for everyone but few family homes.. then yeah, screw family homes.

Re: Mass timber is great, but it will not solve the housing shortage

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Raise prop taxes for non-rented vacation units by 150% Raise prop taxes for rentals by %350. Raise prop taxes for airbnbs by %500. Everyone will own a home, and home prices will plummet as people try to unload extremely expensive property taxes. And if it doesn't work, double my percentages. Or just make it 100k per year. Those people crazy enough to keep holding them, will fund the creation of homeless housing. DV's…

Couldn't agree more. I'm tired of the HN crowd that espouses the benefits of building more supply, yet consider the AirBNB and rental-afflicted homes to be totally untouchable. Even worse are the ones that seem to strongly believe in environmentalism, yet have no problem tearing down forests to build more supply on them...for AirBNBs and rentals.

Cutting down trees to build housing or furniture or whatever is a carbon sink. More trees can be planted.

Re: Mass timber is great, but it will not solve the housing shortage

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which is fine, if they are willing to pay the full cost of it. suburbia is massively subsidized.

It’s not though, this is one of those “we take less taxes if you pay mortgage interest” type arguments. That isn’t subsidizing.

hardly a factor for most nowadays with the increase in standard deduction

Re: Mass timber is great, but it will not solve the housing shortage

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There are actual mass timber projects to look at. The article mentions one in Milwaukee. I am familiar with the T3 project [0].

It was delivered ahead of schedule and below cost relative to a traditional steel/concrete plan. No huge issues of which I am aware in the 5 or so years since occupancy, but someone else may know better.

[0]: https://structurecraft.com/projects/t3-minneapolis

Re: Mass timber is great, but it will not solve the housing shortage

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It takes significantly less materials to build a multi-dwelling apartment/condo/townhouse structure than a single family home. In addition, the required square footage per person drops by huge amounts when people can walk to nearby community centers, restaurants, kitchens, theaters, and bars. We are building massive 3-4k sq. ft. homes for families of four because all of their food, entertainment, and social needs are…

>> Everyone has their own bar, restaurant, theatre, and community center. As opposed to all the "urban lifestyle" people who readily offload their basic needs onto others. Some people are happy cooking their own basic foods. Others want them to be prepared, and their dished cleaned, by a team. Some people are happy with a beer fridge. Others want to go to a bar and pay a young person to smile and flirt while concocti…

I think the point is that these giant houses provide a lot more than a “modicum” of self sufficiency.

I live in an apartment and cook plenty, for example.

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