I'm not saying that Boeing had him assassinated, but I sure wouldn't put it past them. They've already shown themselves to be perfectly willing to sacrifice human lives for increased profits.
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#232It's just crazy to think how much things can change. Boeing was once the pinnacle of innovation; a company which achieved something seemingly impossible at commercial scale and then perfected it to an incredible standard. It's just crazy to think that such perfect company could decline to such low standard both on the technical side and ethics side. It looks like a HR problem. They replaced people who are very good a…
THis isn't an HR problem, it's not an engineering problem, this is a "think about quarterly profits only, bean counting" problem. Engineers need time to do quality work, constantly rushing things for upping the rookie numbers before the end of the quarter is paramount at Boeing these days rather than proper engineering from all the stuff I've seen. Seems like a clown circus of executives over there.
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#233Is it me or the "apparent" in the title implies it looks like a suicide but is not conclusively one?
I doubt the police investigation is over, and a coroner report certainly isn't done, so there isn't an official cause of death yet.
If you can zero someone about to testify in Congress, you can also coerce a coroner to say whatever you want.
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#234Earlier quoted context omitted.
It wouldn't be as direct as if the order came from the boardroom. There are thousands of "stakeholders" bound to lose their gravy train, lobbyists, suppliers, "consultants", military industrial complex. It's easy to for one of these to send a "contractor" to stalk, hold the person's arm and "shoot himself" dead. I am not an investigator but this is very very suspicious. He delivered 2 days of testimony and is about t…
So what you’re saying is Boeing has an army of 2000 lobbyists are all ready to kill for financial gain?
Why all, when one would do?
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#235Is there a pattern? This seems to happen way too often in western corporations. (Here's another example, could give you many more: Suicide of VW whistleblower in 2020: https://www.t-online.de/finanzen/news/unternehmen-verbrauche... - use Google Translate).
Many many people commit suicide in western countries. That’s the pattern imo. I’m guessing the stress of pointing the finger at the company and people you’ve worked for and with for 30 years is not insignificant.
Many many people also commit suicide in eastern countries as well, quite often at much higher rates than in western countries.
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#236Earlier quoted context omitted.
It wouldn't be as direct as if the order came from the boardroom. There are thousands of "stakeholders" bound to lose their gravy train, lobbyists, suppliers, "consultants", military industrial complex. It's easy to for one of these to send a "contractor" to stalk, hold the person's arm and "shoot himself" dead. I am not an investigator but this is very very suspicious. He delivered 2 days of testimony and is about t…
So what you’re saying is Boeing has an army of 2000 lobbyists are all ready to kill for financial gain?
No, only one of the thousands needs to be willing to go that far. The power of stochastic terrorism...
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#237I hope the company had no involvement in this. It would be bit futile given such a large audience has seen their employees state they won't fly in the aircraft they build. [1] 3,716,935 views 4 days ago and Blancolirio's assorted incident reports [2] [1] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8oCilY4szc [video][32 mins][john oliver] [2] - https://www.youtube.com/@blancolirio/search?query=boeing
Yeah, doing something so drastic in this situation doesn’t make sense. It’s possible that reality is somewhere in the middle. I have a very difficult time believing they would actually off the guy, but it’s not so difficult to believe they might hire some investigators to look for skeletons in his closet. Perhaps they found some. Obviously this is wild speculation and not intended to be a theory—just an example of so…
Billions of dollars at stake. There are countless interests that would absolutely kill someone over a fraction of that. I would never whistleblow. Losing my life isn't worth it
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#238Hm, this thread once again slid down the top page at an alarming rate, even though the safety of the environment surrounding engineers is a serious concern of engineers. Hacker News is surprisingly dismissive of user interests and votes. Note that even if it is a suicide, it is still a safety problem of the environment surrounding engineers. Since it is Boeing that pressured him until he committed suicide.
Honestly you're probably better off reading threads on reddit about it. The system may not be as elite as HN but it does allow for more attention and free speech IF you're willing to dig through the detritus.
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#239The amount of conspiracie flying around in this thread are shocking. Someone committed, as it seems, suicide after years, if not decades, of emotional work related stress. They came forward, publicly, with their concerns. So publicly, that everyone knows who they are, from co-workers over friends and family to the media. That alone adds another ton of stress and pressure. And on top of all of that, they went through…
The man was just about to testify. The timing is what makes this suspicious, not the suicide itself.
Let's not be so naive as to imply that these companies and their vested interests would not murder someone to protect a multi-billion dollar business. Shit like this happens all the time.
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#240Earlier quoted context omitted.
When I logged out, last time it was replaced by flagged on Chrome and I couldn't read the text, but now I can, even though it's still flagged. Now there is a strange thing. Why are the other flagged comments still replaced with flagged? Your moderation is too variable. > I unkilled your comment when I posted my last reply. This?
When a comment gets a certain number of flags, the [flagged] marker appears on the comment. When it gets an additional number of flags, the comment becomes killed and the [dead] marker also appears. If a reader does not have 'showdead' turned on in their profile, or is logged out, then the text of [dead] comments is not displayed. Instead it will show as either [flagged] or [dead]. This is what happened with your com…
> Once I unkilled it, it went back from [flagged][dead] to just [flagged], and it went back to being visible to everyone whether they are logged in or not, or have 'showdead' turned on or not.
In other words, you resurrected the deleted text. I just hope this conversation will not be deleted/flagged again and become unreadable.