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Re: Ex-Google engineer charged with stealing trade secrets

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Post by lupire »

gsdofthewoods wrote: post #208
cooper_ganglia wrote: post #202

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This dystopian vision would require lighting the Fourth Amendment on fire and lead to widespread human rights violations of innocent people. Is corporate espionage a problem? Of course it is. Is it worth abandoning the principles of a free society for? Absolutely not.

If you can't beat them, join them, I guess. CCP has been saying for 70 years that a free society cannot compete with a totalitarian society. US can either agree or disagree. What we cannot honestly do is claim to disagree but agree via our actions.

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Post by a_gnostic »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #206
keepamovin wrote: post #194

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> We should be figuring out how to create a global, collective, human advantage for everyone and the planet We haven’t solved the problem of governance. The End of History seemed close in the 1990s. But we’re back to being torn between the efficiency (and short-term stability) of authoritarian models against the flexibility (and long-term stability) of democratic ones. Until we find the model that just works, this co…

You need a model that is not financed through extortion. By granting a small part of the population rights and duties that would be criminal for anyone else to perform (do you even have a right to extort, kidnap, and murder?), you are playing people against each other and perpetuating a struggle for control of the government to act on their behalf, at the expense of everyone else.

governance ≠ government

As long as extortion is involved, the various organs have no incentive to improve, and further more succumb to mission creep (1) to justify and expand their budget, necessitating further extortion.

1. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/mission%20creep

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Post by inemesitaffia »

ClumsyPilot wrote: post #137
lucidrains wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

exactly, this guy understands how business in China works.

How do you imagine this works, western government can’t manage potholes but CCP beurocrats can manage AI, Car production and solar panel production and beat our companies? Are they superhuman?

Civil - Military fusion.

Aka COTS, InQtel, CRS.

Check who's in charge of starshield.

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Post by snotrockets »

atonse wrote: post #223
kjkjadksj wrote: post #175

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The FBI gets more credible reports than it has the labor to investigate. Not to mention in this example no crime even yet occurred.

I agree with the spirit of your statement that no crime has occurred. But this isn't a case where someone just expressed a vague interest in a related topic of national security, but their specific intent to steal secrets and give them to an adversary. And then go ahead and interview at certain companies with that intent. This would be like someone specifically (not vaguely) stating their intent to commit a violent c…

Trade secrets aren’t national security.

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Post by snotrockets »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #207
kjkjadksj wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The FBI gets more credible reports than it has the labor to investigate. Not to mention in this example no crime even yet occurred.

> in this example no crime even yet occurred Interviewing for a job with the prior stated intent of pilfering their IP is fraudulent.

Let the employer file civil case then.

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Post by a_gnostic »

ryandrake wrote: post #216
ClumsyPilot wrote: post #137

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How do you imagine this works, western government can’t manage potholes but CCP beurocrats can manage AI, Car production and solar panel production and beat our companies? Are they superhuman?

I've worked for a Chinese company and with Chinese company partners, but I am not Chinese, so my understanding is probably very, very incomplete. The way it seems to work is that the "influence" from the CCP scales with the size/success of the company. Every business in China operates at the very least with consent of the government. As they get more and more successful, they gain a little more influence/encouragemen…

You will find, it is closer to the old German standard (1).

1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLHG4IfYE1w

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Post by alephnerd »

selimthegrim wrote: post #217
alephnerd wrote: post #166

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> authored by Indian and Chinese students There's no reason for xenophobia. Plenty of ethnic Chinese and Indian people become or aim to become US citizens, and contribute. 30-40 years ago it was Russians, Israelis, and Japanese who were the stereotypical foreigner in graduate STEM programs. You'll also notice a direct correlation between Chinese visa backlogs and the rising return of Chinese expats to China in the 20…

We don’t have a single domestic TA in the department I’m matriculated in

Not surprising.

The economics of doing graduate school as an American just don't make sense (outside of those closely affiliated with DoE labs).

For a foreigner (Indian, Pakistani, Chinese, Iranian) the incentive of getting a path to naturalization along with degree normalization is enough incentive (as you yourself probably know).

No American employer is going to hire a LUMS or UET graduate directly, and if you don't want to work in the Gulf or in Pakistan, your only option is graduate school, especially because there aren't as many MNCs to sponsor an L1/2

Top tier foreign talent gets brought directly via L1/2 programs (like my parents a couple decades ago) as MNCs will transfer the cream of the crop to HQ.

In cases like Pakistan and increasingly China, where MNCs don't have full ownership or are non-existent, the only path is graduate school.

Same thing used to happen to Israelis and Indians in the 1980s.

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Post by mikeyouse »

TheCoelacanth wrote: post #108
nonethewiser wrote: post #48

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"Muslim-ban" is not accurate because it did not ban on the basis of being Muslim or not. It was a ban on travel to the US for 90 days from Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria, and Yemen. There are many predominately Muslim countries it didn't include and it was specifically about travel from those countries.

"Muslim ban" is what the person who initiated it called it, not a description of the actual effects.

Right - he repeatedly said he wanted a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the country and then directed his legal staff to find a legal way to do so… pointing at the hamfisted EO that attempted to toe the line of the clearly unconstitutional order to excuse it is pretty obviously bad faith.
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