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U.S. students will take the SAT online

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Re: U.S. students will take the SAT online

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Post by UberFly »

jmeyer2k wrote: post #120
germinalphrase wrote: post #110

As a former educator, I look forward to the day that we can simply track student ability in a trustable manner based on long term data collection in the classroom rather than requiring these additional, often expensive, exams. We would need to mediate our classroom interactions more than we do now - but the tools do so usefully are there if packaged correctly.

This is what we're working on building at AutoMark ( https://automark.io ). We're currently building grading tools for teachers, but eventually want to build out a tool to accurately monitor a student's performance over time. There's a lot of potential for AI to disrupt the education system from high school to college to a career. Currently, a GPA and a few test scores (SAT, ACT, etc) are the most in depth view into…

"accurately monitor a student's performance over time"

How would it go about monitoring the students?

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Post by germinalphrase »

debacle wrote: post #230
germinalphrase wrote: post #110

As a former educator, I look forward to the day that we can simply track student ability in a trustable manner based on long term data collection in the classroom rather than requiring these additional, often expensive, exams. We would need to mediate our classroom interactions more than we do now - but the tools do so usefully are there if packaged correctly.

Enders Game had this technology and it was so much worse than an SAT.

I don’t seem to share a lot of values with Orson Scott Card.

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Post by johntiger1 »

bombcar wrote: post #151
johntiger1 wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can't her husband just stand in front of her, behind the laptop webcam? There's often ridiculously simple real-world workarounds these complex device security process

They want to see your face and will disqualify you if you glance away from the monitor too often.

That sounds terrible; I often look away to the side when I am thinking..

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Post by albert_e »

johntiger1 wrote: post #118
itishappy wrote: post #33

My friend took an important law school exam (GRE or BAR, not sure which) in the past 2 years that was self administered, and she described her experience as "harrowing." The kernel level malware they installed to monitor the exam crashed her device 4 times during the exam. This was after she got it running on a secondary device because it wouldn't even start on her M1 MacBook Air. The software recorded her screen and…

Can't her husband just stand in front of her, behind the laptop webcam? There's often ridiculously simple real-world workarounds these complex device security process

There is no one else supposed to be in the same room as the test taker - for obvious reasons that they should receive no help on the test in any way.

Some households -- especially if you have small children, or live in a small house without the luxury of separate rooms, noisy neighborhood, etc. -- may pose a challenge.

But outside those scenarios the candidate should know to dedicate one room to themselves for the duration of the test and preferably keep it locked from inside and inform others in the house not to disturb them for those 2 or 3 hours.

I am surprised to see this simple requirement -- that there should be no other person in the video frame (which will be audited for it, both manually and through automatic processing) -- is considered draconian? How? Are test takers expecting to take tests in rooms where anyone else can casually walk in, move around, etc?

To be sure there are other quirks like no bathroom breaks, no glancing away from scree, no mouthing the words as you read, no covering your face or sometimes no resting your chin on your hand as you think etc that all can become very tedious and stressful sure.

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Post by dylan604 »

ghaff wrote: post #227
brewdad wrote: post #190

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In my state the real benefit of taking the course it that scheduling a road test with the DMV often has a multi-month waitlist. Then, if you fail, you have to wait another 2-3 months to retest. A better lesson than the state approved course was paying for a morning on the skid pad at the local raceway with a real driving instrcutor. Once your young driver understands how to regain control of the car, they are much be…

In an ideal world, you'd probably take one of the higher end courses like BMW offers. Of course, that's not a reasonable option for most people.

you mean a test track? how does that apply to the real world that would indicate that you actually know the rules of the road and can follow them?

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Post by seattle_spring »

jobmeplease wrote: post #149
ghaff wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who is looking at your SAT score from 10 years ago?

I applied to Canonical a few months back and they made me write an essay describing my high school grades, extracurriculars, and test results. I've never had that experience in any other job app so it's pretty Canonical specific but it does happen.

What possible insight would they gain knowing what someone did both as a youth and more than a decade ago? I'm a 1000% different person than I was in high school.

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Post by bitwize »

tssva wrote: post #173
tzs wrote: post #138

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I believe that most states require road tests to get your first license or to get a license if you have been unlicensed for a while but stopped requiring them for a renewal, at least if you've got a clean driving record. In at least some states this was based on data that showed that for people that had clean records the rate of road test failures was very low, and those were almost always due to test anxiety and the…

Many states no longer require a road test. Instead you take a state approved driving course and the instructor certifies you as meeting the state driving skill requirements. Most states with this system do have an option to still take a state administered driving test instead but most new drivers just take the course. My daughter got her license last August and we paid for the course. They didn’t teach her anything.…

Man, there's an opportunity here. Split the difference and certify previously licensed drivers with good records in a simulator perhaps?

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Post by bitwize »

eropple wrote: post #155
jobmeplease wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I applied to Canonical a few months back and they made me write an essay describing my high school grades, extracurriculars, and test results. I've never had that experience in any other job app so it's pretty Canonical specific but it does happen.

Canonical's interview process is legendarily invasive and dumb, and they get very touchy when you tell them so. I enjoyed how, when I pointed out that the questions about high school extracurriculars would narrow down many of my demographics and let you guess at a few others (and just the way I write would let you make strong inferences about others), they clammed up and told me I could do it or drop. I dropped.

I applied for a job with the FAANG that rhymes with "pajamas on" and their interview process was dumb as well. I told them so and got the interview ended right there. Good riddance, I suppose.

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Post by ghaff »

dylan604 wrote: post #235
ghaff wrote: post #227

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In an ideal world, you'd probably take one of the higher end courses like BMW offers. Of course, that's not a reasonable option for most people.

you mean a test track? how does that apply to the real world that would indicate that you actually know the rules of the road and can follow them?

I would assume it would complement normal driver ed on regular roads.
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