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Re: Heinz’s sustainable ketchup cap

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Post by adrianmonk »

coryfklein wrote: post #217

In the third paragraph: > The new cap appears as a uniform color in Voyager’s range map... compare it to the old cap, whose silicone valve is denser than the surrounding plastic. Author: you must be completely blind. Both photos show a wide gradient of colors including blue, green, yellow, and deep orange! Why does orange in the left photo mean "it is silicone" but orange on the right means "it is PP"?

I believe both photos must show the cap while screwed onto the bottle. In the photo of the new cap, the orange stuff is the bottle.

The picture shows the screw threads of the bottle opening meeting the threads of the cap. And you can see some asymmetry where the part on the left side of the bottle opening is vertically lower than the part on the right side, which is consistent with the thread being a spiral shape.

Re: Heinz’s sustainable ketchup cap

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Post by coryfklein »

londons_explore wrote: post #43

It does mean this cap is practically impossible to clean, and provides a lot of surface area and crevices for mould to grow or plasticizers to leak from the packaging into the product. All engineering is a tradeoff, and I would be interested to see how those factors were considered when doing the redesign.

If mold is growing on the cap, it's probably growing on the inside too. Throw it out.

Re: Heinz’s sustainable ketchup cap

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Post by boudin »

jgalt212 wrote: post #213
Hizonner wrote: post #210

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You know what's more efficient than glass? Ship the product in bulk and dispense it into the customer's container. And a lot of products could actually be formulated on site, because most of, say, your cleaning aisle is various combinations of relatively few standard components. The biggest barrier there are certain people's desires to control information and to create the perception of distinctions that don't exist.

> You know what's more efficient than glass? Ship the product in bulk and dispense it into the customer's container. yeah, that would be a great use of everyone's time. line up at the olive oil station, line up at the beer station, line up at the flour station, line up at the coffee station, line up at the ketchup station, .... and then on top of that, add up the time and expense of everyone getting a different price…

You clearly have no idea about what you are talking about. I've been buying bulk everything I can for a long time and I don't see any downside to it.

It's smarter in every single point: - I buy what I need instead of what was decided by the packager. - I don't buy a package to throw it away and buy a new one next time. What a waste of money on top of the environmental impact. - It's way more efficient for shopping. When things are organised in bulk it's visually much easier to spot in comparison with packaged stuff with random designs in aisles. - Never experience "queues at stations" so this is a non problem in my 2 decades experiences of shopping in bulk in various cities/countries

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Post by tshaddox »

ddejohn wrote: post #227
jgalt212 wrote: post #213

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You know what's more efficient than glass? Ship the product in bulk and dispense it into the customer's container. yeah, that would be a great use of everyone's time. line up at the olive oil station, line up at the beer station, line up at the flour station, line up at the coffee station, line up at the ketchup station, .... and then on top of that, add up the time and expense of everyone getting a different price…

Bulk sections have existed in grocery stores for a very long time, and work perfectly fine lol.

They’re common, but A) generally make up a tiny portion of floor space (at least in the U.S., apart from rare specialty stores) and B) I would hazard a guess that they are less sanitary and even less fresh on average than comparable packaged foods.

Re: Heinz’s sustainable ketchup cap

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Post by ddejohn »

jrochkind1 wrote: post #223

> Currently only about 3% of PP products are being recycled in the United States, but it is becoming more widely accepted So now the relatively small amount of mass in the cap is just as recyclable as the bottle itself -- neither are actually going to be recycled. There's nothing to see here but marketing. And a an interesting engineering puzzle solved, sure. "How Big Oil Misled The Public Into Believing Plastic Woul…

Based on the title, I had originally assumed clicking on this thread that it would be about their glass bottles with the white metal caps.

Re: Heinz’s sustainable ketchup cap

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Post by speff »

blacksmith_tb wrote: post #229
speff wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If coca cola's your example, then I'm going to affirm that yes, it is the lifestyle that generates garbage. People don't _need_ soda. But they want it at a low price that's cheaper than Pepsi. You know what that means? Coke's going to be shipping in the cheapest container possible to keep the price edge - which is plastic. If soda drinkers cared about plastic consumption, they would switch to anything that has glass…

Tea drinker here, but doesn't a lot of soda globally come in aluminum cans, which are actually recyclable?

Yep. Though I'm hoping my point can be extrapolated outside of the soda example as well. Coke/Soda's just something I'm picking on

Re: Heinz’s sustainable ketchup cap

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Post by jimmar »

Really smart move by Heinz--if only for the marketing and brand awareness alone. I doubt the environment outcomes will be significant, but the Heinz brand name has shown up in my feeds quite a bit in the past 24 hours because of this change.

Re: Heinz’s sustainable ketchup cap

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Post by tastyfreeze »

radicaldreamer wrote: post #32
kostko wrote: post #25

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Your lifestyle does not generate garbage. Companies that sell non recyclables and non compostsbles generate garbage. Why hasnt cocacola replaced their plastics with something compostable? There are new inventions for replacing plastics out each day, I wonder where those inventions end up.

Recyclable is a scam perpetuated by the plastic industry. You should be using reusable glass which is expensive to replace but cheap to refill.

Glass bottles require local cleaning and filling infrastructure to make refilling economical. We don't have that infrastructure anymore.

Re: Heinz’s sustainable ketchup cap

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Post by Velofellow »

piva00 wrote: post #97
trallnag wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Plastic trash is supposed to be burned or recycled

Recycling of plastic is only even possible for a really low percentage of the total produced, it's not a fungible thing since there are seven different grades and each one is incompatible with the other in terms of recycling. Some of those grades are not recyclable at all. Currently we recycle 9% of plastics, sorting through the cheaper grades is non-trivial, we can't recycle our way out of this mess. Burning plastic…

Thank you for remembering the other 2 Rs! I just had a conversation with someone last week where I brought up the two prior to Recycle, and they had completely forgotten.

Even the ubiquitous 3 Rs logo with arrows has now become shorthand for just recycle.

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