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Canadian government banning Flipper Zero to combat auto theft

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Re: Canadian government banning Flipper Zero to combat auto theft

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In theory, a representative democracy keeps checks and balances by the people still routinely communicating with each other as if it were a direct democracy and if the representatives are not acting in accordance with the direct findings, then it's off with their heads. But in practice that's a lot of work. The reality is that most people don't want to be involved and are happy to have some figurehead do the work for…

A representative democracy ends up representing the money, not the people

Re: Canadian government banning Flipper Zero to combat auto theft

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Keyfob security is difficult at best, and impossible at worst. In order to provide better security, you will make the keyfob near useless for the customer. But that's a problem for manufacturers to sort out, for example, by offering various options to their customers.

That said, banning tools? Seriously? Will they now ban hammers, crowbars and hacksaws, because they can be used for breaking and entering?

Re: Canadian government banning Flipper Zero to combat auto theft

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Of course the system is not something that magically descended to the heavens, it is simply what people have agreed to go by. If it is unequal, it is so because the people have decided that they want it to be unequal. No doubt because, as you point out, the typical person would rather spend their time making ends meet (i.e. pay for the luxuries of life) than the worry about making agreements with their neighbours day…

Although people have a role in forming societal structures, it's not a simple matter of choice when entrenched interests shape the rules. The perception that individuals consent to inequality by focusing on their own lives misses the broader context of systemic barriers. Expecting people to prioritize civic action over making a decent living underestimates the challenges they face. The system needs to facilitate equa…

I think you folks actually agree here: you say "creating conditions" in a rather impersonal way (because who's gonna create them?) while they say that without implication, those conditions will never appear by themselves. And none of you said it would be easy.

Re: Canadian government banning Flipper Zero to combat auto theft

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A person messing with RF while in an airliner should probably be arrested, I agree with that part. Probably best not to have the tool in carry-on, even powered-off, and I'd understand if TSA didn't permit that (like they wouldn't let a chef carry-on their knives, another tool with very legitimate purposes).

Messing with bluetooth on an airliner isn't going to do anything at all. If they were attempting to spoof GPS or playing with VHF signals that's another issue but the flipper isn't capable of that. The TSA also doesn't care, they don't look for, and don't remotely have the training to detect suspicious electronics. Even if they did the flipper looks very innocuous unless you know what it is. You can reliably get much…

It can do something. Many people depend on Bluetooth insulin pumps for instance, and in an airplane they may not have access to the alternatives in case the device stops working.

Re: Canadian government banning Flipper Zero to combat auto theft

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Swiss here, curiously interested, what does direct democracy in the US look like? Direct democracy means a lot around here, like not having a single party long term in some control positions who could block or manipulate bills. Voting on topics instead of politians is only a small aspect of this all working.

Well owning a set of lock picks is illegal in the US so... 6 of one, half a dozen of the other.

> Well owning a set of lock picks is illegal in the US so... 6 of one, half a dozen of the other.

No. https://www.toool.us/lockpicking-laws.php

Oddy enough, owning lockpicks is sorta illegal in some Canadian provinces.

Re: Canadian government banning Flipper Zero to combat auto theft

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In this case a local police officer was at the location where the stolen vehicle, and probably hundreds of others were. There was no CN police present. In cases where there are no CN police, then local police should automatically get jurisdiction. Otherwise, like in this case, criminals just get a free pass. > to process the tens of thousands of titles to ship new vehicles to manufacturers is obscene - and even then,…

The gangs are making up phony shipping and customs manifests and hiding behind the rail and port authorities, who are enabling the gangs. It's going to take some manpower, but every container going overseas will have to be inspected during loading. The government's "solution" is putting in high tech x million dollar scanners that will take years to implement while the gangs keep stealing and shipping.

For this example, a scanner does nothing. All it will do is tell you that there was a truck there. But in this case the existence of vehicles on the train were not in question - it was about the ownership of them. It should be much harder to fake shipping manifests and every VIN should be manually verified and against a database of stolen.

Re: Canadian government banning Flipper Zero to combat auto theft

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So if I'm reading this right, they're banning something that is too underpowered to run the exploits people are using to steal cars (which are only possible in the first place because car companies' threat model is mostly about their customers rather than thieves) in order to pretend to do something about car theft I've been pretty happy on balance with measures introduced through direct democracy in recent years (mo…

Direct democracy is 2 wolves and a sheep voting on whats for dinner.

I think the real problem is that the system is rigged.

Your vote only matters if youre in a non-gerrymandered swing state.

Even if your vote did matter you have to choose from a a small amount of candidates selected and vetted by the RNC and DNC.

So its less an issue with representation democracy and more an issue with how rigged and pointless the system has become in my opinion.

Re: Canadian government banning Flipper Zero to combat auto theft

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So if I'm reading this right, they're banning something that is too underpowered to run the exploits people are using to steal cars (which are only possible in the first place because car companies' threat model is mostly about their customers rather than thieves) in order to pretend to do something about car theft I've been pretty happy on balance with measures introduced through direct democracy in recent years (mo…

I'm not sure how direct democracy is going to fix car theft? It would seem a problem best dealt with by experts in the field.

Re: Canadian government banning Flipper Zero to combat auto theft

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So if I'm reading this right, they're banning something that is too underpowered to run the exploits people are using to steal cars (which are only possible in the first place because car companies' threat model is mostly about their customers rather than thieves) in order to pretend to do something about car theft I've been pretty happy on balance with measures introduced through direct democracy in recent years (mo…

Swiss here, curiously interested, what does direct democracy in the US look like? Direct democracy means a lot around here, like not having a single party long term in some control positions who could block or manipulate bills. Voting on topics instead of politians is only a small aspect of this all working.

I've been curious as a Brit living thought the mess that was the brexit vote and implementation, how the Swiss would have dealt with such a matter? I'm told they have better systems and wouldn't have done it like we did but I'm not sure quite how.
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