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Adobe gives up on web-design product to rival Figma after deal collapse

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Re: Adobe gives up on web-design product to rival Figma after deal collapse

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Moving to a subscription model is largely a symptom of that coasting. They couldn’t consistently come up with compelling reasons to upgrade to new versions of Creative Suite, with users being perfectly happy to run what they had for as many years as possible. They were always going to hit a ceiling on interesting features to implement, but they could’ve sold new CS versions on improvements in stability, performance,…

There is another element at play: modern software product management. I think revenues at the main driver, but behind that is the modern PM philosophy of hypothesis-driven development. In my experience, the average outcome is incrementalism in the extreme. PMs break every feature down as an experiment to try and measure the value. It often misses consideration of the whole product. Everyone is scared of taking a big…

This is a great comment and deserves its own write up :)

Re: Adobe gives up on web-design product to rival Figma after deal collapse

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This isn't the first time Adobe has taken a decent app w/ potential and run it into the ground: Dreamweaver did many things, not all of them well, but it was never actively terrible. Over time, its functionality got split out into more apps that didn't actually require people to write web code - a disappointment that shouldn't surprise as Adobe's heart was still w/ print production and never really committed to the d…

Adobe just didn't manage the pivot to web design very well. Dreamweaver had been run into the ground. So was Fireworks. And look at where Flash is.

Oh so true. Adobe also had a product that is the same concept as Webflow, called InFlow (if I am not mistaken), and killed it, before Webflow existed. Some of its employe went to work for Webflow.

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>but did Figma even need to sell in the first place? I've worked a company that was profitable, operated well, growing ... but were sold and the CEO said (I'll get the words not quite right): "I fought for keeping independent and not selling, that's how I've kept that company and I wanted it to stay that way. But the offer was increased into the range where I didn't feel like I could survive a legal challenge (if it…

It is anecdotes like this that make me think that the public shareholder model is fundamentally flawed and a large part of why many American companies are struggling to truly build long term value, and many once great companies have been destroyed by beancounters to bleating calls of shareholder value.

> public shareholder model is fundamentally flawed and a large part of why many American companies are struggling to truly build long term value

This doesn’t stand up to scrutiny (there are many publicly traded companies that build immense long term value, and there are multiple reasons why companies fail to produce long-term value).

It is easy to be a critic (and fine), but do you have an alternative to publicly traded companies that you think would , on balance, be better?

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