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Alzheimer’s cases tied to no-longer-used medical procedure

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The doctor or their patients have the higher risk?

if I remember correctly Dentists had more cases of alzheimer than other groups of doctors. I heard it some time ago. If is a prion, it should resist most sterilization of dental instruments by heat on autoclave. So is obvious IMAO that this could be a way to spread the disease from one patient to other, but I'm not an expert on clinic procedures and the protocols may have been updated. This is known, or at least susp…

do you recall percentages? like 10% higher or 5x higher?

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Afaict, this is not an entirely new finding. For example, this page ( https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-018-07771-6 ) references a 2018 article about the issue of Alzheimer's being transmitted (or rather "seeded") through growth hormone extracted from cadavers. Perhaps the new article provides additional evidence or perhaps the other article only suspected a casual link and this one proves that there is one. I h…

Prions are exactly the tiny, hard to detect things that could make Alzheimers transmissible. There are likely to remain many questions to resolve, but this sure suggests a line of inquiry: Is Alzheimer's one distinct disease? Can a prion be isolated as the cause? Can a diagnostic test be designed that detects this prion? Etc.

Have they found prions in Alzheimers patients universally? That would seem to have come up looooong ago given how much it has been studied.

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> I wonder what other stuff is being unwittingly transferred during standard blood transfusions. Back in the early 1990s my wife worked in epidemiology studies at the national blood agency in our country. There was a lot of work to be done since at the time being a hemophiliac and receiving blood products meant a good chance of dying from AIDS or non-A non-B hepatitis (now known as Hep C). The agency did not test eac…

Until 2023 male blood donors in Germany were still asked "have you had sex with a man in the last 4 months?" As an exclusion criterium. Donors who lived in Britain in the 90's are still banned due to the Lack of a Test which can identify 'Mad Cow Disease'.

I thought MCD was relatively fast and aggressive?

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My reading is that m-i-l is using "clickbaity" to mean "doesn't prevent all possible wrong conclusions one could draw from the headline". (In this case, the wrong conclusion would be thinking that because there exists cases of alzheimer being transmitted through some mechanism that Alzheimer was contagious.) While it's certainly understandable that we are all tired of clickbait that purposefully misleads the reader,…

That's right. Living in the UK and taking an interest in popular science during the "mad cow disease crisis"[0], I had been aware that prion diseases can be transmitted in humans if (for example) you eat (infected) brains of your dead ancestors[1], but the headline as originally submitted ("Scientists document first-ever transmitted Alzheimer's cases") did suggest to me that we might be at the start of something alto…

Ahh, yea, fair. I hadn't realized the headline changed. The original is unnecessarily vague, contributing to misinterpretation without benefit.

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There is a line of research into the "transmissible' phenomena of a lot of these neurodegen dz. Epidemiologically, it's probably not infectious from one person to another bc we don't see spouses getting PD or AD often. But there's interesting phenomena - i.e. one of the Parkinson's stem cell implantation trials got a lot of press after the trial (which failed, didn't show benefit) bc after subjects passed several yea…

> w/ mice Is this a special kind of mouse?

the expensive kind...

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Prions are exactly the tiny, hard to detect things that could make Alzheimers transmissible. There are likely to remain many questions to resolve, but this sure suggests a line of inquiry: Is Alzheimer's one distinct disease? Can a prion be isolated as the cause? Can a diagnostic test be designed that detects this prion? Etc.

Have they found prions in Alzheimers patients universally? That would seem to have come up looooong ago given how much it has been studied.

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All the researchers are all UK based, and the UK became verrrry interested in prion diseases due to a very bad habit UK agriculture had gotten into of incorporating culled animals (other cattle, which furthered the spread, but the ultimate cause was likely grinding up sheep infected with scrapies, an ovine spongiform encephalopathy) supplementary cattle feed for animals later eaten by humans which led to the CJD outb…

Cows are also fed “sewage solids” from water treatment plants. Now that I think about it maybe I should stop eating / drinking cow products

sorry what

do you have a source?

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This is one of the reasons that, despite no direct evidence of harm, I will only ever take marine collagen instead of bovine collagen. Do not fuck with the possibility of ingesting cow nervous system tissue, let alone human.

Wild Chronic Wasting Disease + hunting also seems like a bomb waiting to explode sometime.

But, somehow, it hasn’t into humans yet.

Re: Alzheimer’s cases tied to no-longer-used medical procedure

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All the researchers are all UK based, and the UK became verrrry interested in prion diseases due to a very bad habit UK agriculture had gotten into of incorporating culled animals (other cattle, which furthered the spread, but the ultimate cause was likely grinding up sheep infected with scrapies, an ovine spongiform encephalopathy) supplementary cattle feed for animals later eaten by humans which led to the CJD outb…

Cows are also fed “sewage solids” from water treatment plants. Now that I think about it maybe I should stop eating / drinking cow products

Those are hazmat, contaminated with heavy metals among many other things, and need to be disposed of in specific ways - none of which involve consumption.

Cite?

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"w/" is an abbreviation for "with". "w/ mice" should be read as "with mice".

The savings of just two characters does not worth the effort and mental pause to decode it

not to horrify you but https://gomerblog.com/2014/12/soap-note/
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